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A lad acts the bollocks with Recruits and ends up getting moved to a different barracks, ****ed into the kitchen, then comes back to a Court Martial, a 1,000 quid fine and 7 days in the Digger.
An Lt. while on duty, ****s off on the piss. The Lt. gets a fine and not so much as a night in the cell.
Thanks HH and others for the detailed replies. Interesting reading.
A question for the PDF people, with a bit of service done, do they feel the CM sentences are getting heavier eg bigger fines, longer detention, etc. Are breaches of discipline, that in the past were dealt with by the CO, more likely now to go to CM.
Also how would an adverse CM finding effect your carear eg promotion, courses.
I'm not a number, I'm a free man.
Who is number 1?
AFAIK, charges stay on your conduct sheet for 2 years or something like that?
The 667's only note any charge you have recieved in the past year.
A 667A is your yearly conduct report, whereas a 667B is a supplementary conduct sheet which may be used for either positive or negative reports and can be removed from your file after 12 months
Or if you can get into the office and remove and therefore delete your bad record! You may even get promoted if you pulled it off!
Not that I have heard oof anyone ever do this of course!!
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe that ex-lovers are really dying for you to ring them at 4am!!
Regardless of a soldier recieving a fresh conduct sheet every three years.ALL his/her offences against Military law during their service will remain on their AF43a (personal file) on the MIF system.Downloadable in seconds and usually a requirement to submit a copy on reporting for any career courses.
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
Hi all,
Just because your sheet might be cleaned, officially, every three years doesn't mean past misdemeanours won't be forgiven or forgotten.People have long memories and past unreliability/difficulty/bloodymindedness/unrulyness will be held against you, unless you are percieved to have cleaned your sheet properly.
regards
GttC
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
the judge said he was thinking of giving him 12 months- WTF is he on
12 months for calling his boss a prick.
whats next transportation to van diemens land for absence.
Officer dismissed over foul language
RONAN McGREEVY
A squadron commander in the Air Corps has been dismissed from the Defence Forces for using insulting language to his superior.
Commandant Niall Donohoe (47), a commissioned officer of 28 years service in the defence forces, called his commanding officer Lieut Col Gerry O’Sullivan a “little prick” at Casement Aerodrome in Baldonnel on January 30th last year.
Military judge Col Tony McCourt said Comdt Donohoe’s offence was “near the serious end” of guilty of one charge of using insulting language to a superior officer contrary to Section 133 of the Defence Act 1954.
Comdt Donohoe, who is attached to number five Support Wing in the Air Corps, claimed that he said “this is a little prickly” during his appraisal hearing with Lieut Col O’Sullivan.
Sentencing Comdt Donohoe at a general court martial in McKee Barracks, the judge said the military board, which had acted as a jury in the case, did not believe him and neither did he.
He told Comdt Donohoe that his behaviour was “entirely unacceptable” and constituted "gross misconduct" from a commissioned officer of his experience.
Senior officers were expected to uphold the highest standards of discipline and loyalty and to set an example to others, the judge added.
Col McCourt said he was minded to impose a 12 months prison sentence and a dismissal with disgrace from the defence forces, but took into account mitigating circumstances.
This included his hitherto perfect disciplinary record, his services overseas which included rescuing a colleague from the line-of-fire in Lebanon, his personal circumstances as a father of two young children, his voluntary work in his local GAA club, his previous good appraisals from other years and the testimony of character witnesses.
Comdt Donohoe has 21 days to appeal his dismissal to a Court Martials Appeals Board which is presided over by a civilian judge.
He also faces 11 other charges which will now be the subject of five different trials. The 11 charges have been put in for mention to June 29th
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
In the Defence Forces you dont actually take "periods of sick leave"
a Medical Doctor awards you "periods of sick leave" and only if your actually suffering from something
but aside from that- the scary thing is extremely harsh and disproportionate sentences are creeping in
tomorrows newspapers will carry Court reports- see what comparable crimes merited a 12 month
prison sentence.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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