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Interesting point raised above about hydrating in CBRN using Camelbaks.
Guys get used to and equipped to use Camelbaks to hydrate whilst training in CBRN - yet then when they need to wear the kit for real they have to use a different system they are relatively unfamiliar with and unpracticed in to hydrate - is this the case?
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Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View PostInteresting point raised above about hydrating in CBRN using Camelbaks.
Guys get used to and equipped to use Camelbaks to hydrate whilst training in CBRN - yet then when they need to wear the kit for real they have to use a different system they are relatively unfamiliar with and unpracticed in to hydrate - is this the case?
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Talking to guys that are involved in very arduous DF courses the battlevest is great for APC/helo ops but not light infantry work.
Crawling means the mags get dirty and pouches (especially mag pouches) get damaged and the buckles break too easily.
The weight all being on the front means more lower back and quad injuries.
Advise was:
Keep some of the PLCE buckles were you can
Keep the large NBC pouch as the new one is too small and if kept in the pouch the respirator will get damaged (or hang it up)
And use a hippo padLast edited by DeV; 13 October 2013, 13:01.
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I would,nt say its great as on any tough course its getting damaged.
Pouches tearing off, buckles breaking, zips giving up,
Your right about Heli ops and perhaps Apc drills but when you D-bus out of them you are into most likely light inf again.
everyone should of kept there old cefo or chest rigs.
I,m glad my unit did we don't use the BV at all unless we are the other side of the camp
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Originally posted by DeV View PostTalking to guys that are involved in very arduous DF courses the battlevest is great for APC/helo ops but not light infantry work.
Crawling means the mags get dirty and pouches (especially mag pouches) get damaged and the buckles break too easily.
The weight all being on the front means more lower back and quad injuries.
Advise was:
Keep some of the PLCE buckles were you can
Keep the large NBC pouch as the new one is too small and if kept in the pouch the respirator will get damaged (or hang it up)
TBH, don't know how the lads cope with the Inf stuff when crawling while wearing them, as now, all the stuff is to the front..."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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The drinking drill with the camelbak(CBRN or normal) is very simple and has been sent to the DF CBRN working group for approval.We still teach the emergency drinking drill but as not all units are still issued waterbottles it is hit and miss as to what is being taught in the units.On the Instructor course I taught both to the students so they can teach both at unit level.
The BV's are a great bit of kit let down by two things.Lack of modularity and durability.With the old PLCE if you damaged a pouch you removed it and replaced just the pouch.If you damage a BV you replace the whole vest.Biggest problem areas are the thinness of the pouch lids(easily ripped).Compare against the lined pouch lids of PLCE.No comparison.Also the main front zips break too easily.
Why we got BV's with zips is a mind boggler.Three fastex buckles can be easily replaced if damaged but a zip can't."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostThe drinking drill with the camelbak(CBRN or normal) is very simple and has been sent to the DF CBRN working group for approval.We still teach the emergency drinking drill but as not all units are still issued waterbottles it is hit and miss as to what is being taught in the units.On the Instructor course I taught both to the students so they can teach both at unit level.
The BV's are a great bit of kit let down by two things.Lack of modularity and durability.With the old PLCE if you damaged a pouch you removed it and replaced just the pouch.If you damage a BV you replace the whole vest.Biggest problem areas are the thinness of the pouch lids(easily ripped).Compare against the lined pouch lids of PLCE.No comparison.Also the main front zips break too easily.
Why we got BV's with zips is a mind boggler.Three fastex buckles can be easily replaced if damaged but a zip can't.
i.e; detachable from the vest ?"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe M203 and I think admin pouch etc are detachable. The 4 x ammo and 2 x utility pouches are fixed"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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IPLCE packing list from lets say a good source that sets standards for the DF.
Smock
Bottom left pocket - leather gloves (not fingerless), bush hat, wooly hat
Left arm pocket - steri gel
Bottom right pocket - penknife (secured to pocket), insulating tape, high carb food
Chest right pocket - space blanket
Right arm pocket - FFD
Battle Vest
Left Ammo - magazines, 7.62 belt/smoke
Left Utility - Model kit, mozzie net, insect spray, rifle cleaning kit, para cord
Left chest zip - maps, compass, air photos
M203 pouch (upper left) - M203 rounds (pouch only fitted if ammo issued)
HE pouch (middle left) - grenades (pouch only fitted if ammo issued)
Right Ammo - magazines
Right Utility - hexi, metal mug, spoon, small cloth, lighter, rations
Admin pouch - camo stick, whistle, torch/head light
Right chest zip - Tacaid, notebook, chinagraph pencils, w/p markets
Back - Platypus, 2 sandbags
Respirator pouch (right leg) - respirator, CBRN drinking attachment
Dump pouch (left leg) - empty mags & belts
Optional - pace counter
Patrol Pack
Top flap - Individual first aid kit, hearing protection, white & red ribbons (to mark pack as being ammo / section med kit), spare ammunition
Main compartment (2 separate dry bags) - items of ordnance, wet gear, fleece (or similar), spare socks, platypus (if not in battle vest), 24 hrs rations
Main Pack
Outside on top - entrenching tool
Top flap - 2 x sandbag, 6 x bungees, 6 x tent pegs
Side pouches (in separate dry bags) - dry flow top & bottoms, norge shirt, DPM trousers, socks, hand towel, wash gear (soap, razor, toothbrush & paste, vaseline, goretex socks, foot powder
Main compartment (in dry bag) - sleeping bag (in bivi bag), spare rations, water, laundry bag/waterproof bag, knee & elbow pads (if required/not worn)
Outside at bottom - basha (rolled in ground mat to protect it), secured by 2 x bungees
Helmet (with elastic strap)
Goggles (in protective cover) secured to helmet
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