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Going by the ARW list you carry one Camelbak in the vest and the other in the Daysack(or a two litre plastic bottle).The two waterbottles go in the side pouch of the Bergen.
The snag with carrying a camelbak in the vest whilst wearing the daysack is that the movement of a fully laden daysack whilst say doing contact drills for example can cause the Bladder underneath to burst.This is only made worse if you have CBA on under your vest as the camelbak gets caught between the rear plate and the daysack.
What we normally do is to carry one camelbak in the daysack.Vest and daysack is CEFO anyway.We rarely operate in just vests apart from Mech Inf."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostGoing by the ARW list you carry one Camelbak in the vest and the other in the Daysack(or a two litre plastic bottle).The two waterbottles go in the side pouch of the Bergen.
The snag with carrying a camelbak in the vest whilst wearing the daysack is that the movement of a fully laden daysack whilst say doing contact drills for example can cause the Bladder underneath to burst.This is only made worse if you have CBA on under your vest as the camelbak gets caught between the rear plate and the daysack.
What we normally do is to carry one camelbak in the daysack.Vest and daysack is CEFO anyway.We rarely operate in just vests apart from Mech Inf.
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Originally posted by apod View PostThe snag with carrying a camelbak in the vest whilst wearing the daysack is that the movement of a fully laden daysack whilst say doing contact drills for example can cause the Bladder underneath to burst.This is only made worse if you have CBA on under your vest as the camelbak gets caught between the rear plate and the daysack.
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Last edited by paul; 12 June 2010, 14:24.Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!
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There much be fairly s**t then. I have always had source, they are literally strong enough to stand on when full. I've fallen from a four foot drop onto my back whist wearing CBA and have it not burst (13 stone, excluding all the gear) I'll always swear by them."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostGood for you mate.Actually Camelbak are fairly good.I guess thats why they are the most widely issued Hydration bladder worldwide.But a plastic bladder is just that.Plastic.You put enough force against it.It will burst.No matter who makes it.
I own both a camelbak and a couple of source bladders - I use the source ones, every time. The openings, seams and the material itself are far sturdier, they're less of a drama to clean (put your hand inside your camelbak some day and have a feel of the slime that builds up on them), and as the nice people at RVOps demonstrate, you can stand on it without it bursting, which is not something I'd even try with a camelbak. I suspect, apod, that the reason why camelbaks are so widely issued is more to do with interoperability with CBRN kit that you get with camelbaks than with reasons of quality - the tender would say "must be compatible with CBRN drinking tube", thus automatically disqualifying source bladders.
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A distinct possibility on the CBRN front.However there is an anti microbial coating on the inside of the issue Camelbaks to prevent the build up you speak of.They still need a good clean out though every so often having said all that.
As for the weight thing i will still advocate transfering the bladder to the daysack when worn with the vest.Why take the chance of loosing your vital water.I have seen bladders leak whilst on fairly arduous exercises.Maybe it was the bladder,or maybe it was the user.Who knows.Its never happened to me thankfully.Perhaps because i dont take the chance and i look after my kit.Who knows."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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They both do CBRN resistance to contaminating the water in the pouch up to a certain length of time. I think the camelbak specs are available on their site but I don't think source is openly available. This though is probally easily found out with an email, but I'm too lazy to do it and I don't need to knowDon't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!
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Originally posted by apod View PostGood for you mate.Actually Camelbak are fairly good.I guess thats why they are the most widely issued Hydration bladder worldwide.
These are two of USMC versions on issue:
The Camelbaks currently in use by the US Army are apparently being replaced by Source packs.
And i'm not too sure but i think the British Army are replacing their Camelbaks with Source packs as well.Last edited by spaceghetti; 26 June 2010, 17:24.
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There are 2 flaws that I have found using the Source, the tube is a little too short and it could be insulated better like the carrier for the pouch is, but saying this, the issue one has a long insulated tube but the pouch isn't insulated at all, not pleasant when its hot out. These problems could easily be fixed when ordering off them or just buying a replacement tube.Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!
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The Camelbak tube is also easier to operate singlehanded .The source one isnt.Also the source tube doesnt take a CBRN adaptor."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostThe Camelbak tube is also easier to operate singlehanded .The source one isnt.Also the source tube doesnt take a CBRN adaptor.
They are both just as easy to use single handed and the source one has a 25% higher flow rate too. On the CBRN front they do sell tubes to fit them, you just have to state it when ordering.Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!
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