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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    its just a bad idea
    Any chance anyone could grab a couple of plce pouches for me? Specifically water bottle and utility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Update on the PLCE. All the PLCE is to be shredded.Even though some of it was never on a soldiers back.Along with old type helmets and CBA.IPLCS to be issued on a pool basis to each RDF Inf Coy(I presume the same will apply in CS and CSS RDF sub units).Only enough sets of IPLCS to equip enough RDF personnel for courses etc not a one for everyone in the unit initially.I was informed the reason they are shredding the Bergens is because they are not height adjustable so should not be used by shorter personnel(anti-claim device) and the newer height adjustable bergans cant be used with belt order.
    So IPLCS is coming in for RDF.
    So what are they supposed to wear for APWTs and tactical/fieldcraft training?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    its just a bad idea
    Why??
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Why shred when you could potentially sell some of it through army surplus type shops? Surely the cost of shredding, in resources and money would be negated by selling as much as possible. Or selling the kit in bulk to online sellers or Irish militaria specialists at a knock down price!?
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    Is it just the backpacks that are being shredded Apod? Surely Cefo will have to be kept for use on ex etc?
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    Must be all or nothing. PLCE CEFO & IPLCS CEMO are incompatible. If they shred the PLCE and only distribute enough IPLCS for courses, what is everyone else going to be wearing on annual camps/assessments etc this/next year?
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    @ apod: hear anything on day sacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftandSure View Post
    Must be all or nothing. PLCE CEFO & IPLCS CEMO are incompatible. If they shred the PLCE and only distribute enough IPLCS for courses, what is everyone else going to be wearing on annual camps/assessments etc this/next year?
    If there's no overnight activities for the non IPLCS bods then Cefo would do fine. If there's enough IPLCS for a pl of bods per coy then we'd be ok honestly. All our old flakkers were binned and we've the DPM CBA in the stores now which is a good improvement.
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    ALLcomponents of the PLCE are being shredded.Full sets of IPLCS to replace on a pool basis.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Madness. Of all the uses it could see, sale to surplus dealers, donated to developing world armies engaged in PSO as a part of our international aid contribution etc, it gets turfed in the shredder. Granted, happy to see progress re: IPLCS, but, the loss of potential income/cost offset by shredding... I wonder is it possible to rescue a long back bergen/rucksack before it get trashed?
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    Did the DF exercise the options for the battlevests cause they only bought 6600 ?!

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    If its issued only on pool for an ex, then I guess we go back to looking like guerillas with mish mash of our own bergens and chest rigs on training nights.
    Time to google and try and pick up a second hand PASGT or MICH ACH etc helmet.
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    Not a brigade pool like before.Each subunit EG:RDF InF coys will have x amount of sets initially with plans to purchase enough to equip the whole force.

    Oh and ye are assuming their will BE assessments this year!
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Not a brigade pool like before.Each subunit EG:RDF InF coys will have x amount of sets initially with plans to purchase enough to equip the whole force.

    Oh and ye are assuming their will BE assessments this year!
    Yup, word I've had that so far there are no assessments planned but that is subject to change (like everything else!!)

    And also, Apod, when enough ARE purchased, will they remain on pool issue or individual issue?
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    The East had sub unit pooled PLCE (not sure about Bde).

    If the PLCE has been shredded back to pooled 58 pattern then as there will not be enough! And yes it was still being issued!

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    I thought the 58 pattern was all sent back to hell?
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    It can only be destroyed by casting it back into the fiery chasm from whence it came. Trips there are expensive, so it was seen as a cheaper option to store it.
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    Some CQ's will be sensible and forget to send off the PLCE for shredding so that the bods will have something to use in the interim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam Bam View Post
    I thought the 58 pattern was all sent back to hell?
    I changed sub-unit, unit and brigade 3 years ago and I can you it was in stores and use then.

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    I thought the 58 pattern was all sent back to hell?
    chuckle.... No. There are still stacks of it in various places.

    Pool IPLCS ? We learn nothing, I tell you.. nothing. We are doomed to repeat the stupid.

    What bits of IPLCS ... shared hydration system ? shared goggles ? will they have the right size helmets. for the past 12 years I've gone around this stupidity by purchasing personal PLCE kit and cared for it just as I would for personal issue, as I do for my DPMs and other stuff. I can probably get round most of it with a helmet cover and an ACH/MICH. The hallmark of pool PLCE down the years was broken clips and cable ties for a weeks' ex
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    I sympathise Trell.When I first heard the plan i had it put down to the new,old,cadre not wanting to have to account for 500+ sets of full CEMO/sleeping systems/PPE. There was enough pooled at my home station when all the various units returned it to kit out every single member of our four new companies and still have a reserve.Some of the kit had never been used what with being handed back by the ADR and PA's for example().When I hear dhtey were shredding everything except the sleeping systems my blood boiled.What a f*****g waste.Even if the plan was set in stone that amount of PLCE would have netted the DF a nice bit on the collectors and waltsofters market.

    Then I was told the really reason was because of the Bergen and the H+S issue I flagged above.Which In a weird way makes sense.
    I do understand that there were those of ye who invested in your own set of PLCE CEFO etc and are now facing not being able to use it.I felt the same way after I invested in my own Battlevest only for them to go on issueSome luck eh?
    Typical though.Some of ye were only banging on about an IPLCS issue with regard to the single force concept.Now that ye will have access to it ye dont want it!!

    PS:No.CQ's will not be hanging onto PLCE.The orders to return it all come from D Logs.It has already been implemented.
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    OK short circuit this. Can we get a BV same as current off the commercial market ?
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    So what does the rest of the platoon (that should be a coy) do when 1 section has been fully kitted out in IPLCS
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    OK short circuit this. Can we get a BV same as current off the commercial market ?
    AFAIK the Lowe Alpine shop in Tullamore had the issue BV but in OG.Lowe alpine rarely sell their military range direct to the public these days though.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    So when what does the rest of the platoon (that should be a coy) do when 1 section has been fully kitted out in IPLCS
    The plan AFAIK is for 50ish sets of IPLCS to be issued per coy initially as their thinking thats all that would be using it on an exercise as it would be rare for 100% mobilisation.I pointed out "what happens in the event of a general mobilisation".I got a blank stare.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    These pop up every now and again on fleabay for about 50 squids.

    Haven't had a chance to use one in anger yet, but it seems a mighty fine piece of kit. Similar enough in lay out to the IPLCS rig. The ammo and utility pouches are fixed, but the vests come with a butt load of PALS pouches.

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