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  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The organic decision/requirement within the NS is for a ship described as an MRV , on dimensions 130 meters x 20 meters x 5.2 meters, with helicopter deck facility. Helicopter decks, big enough, can land any size of helicopter compatible with those dimensions, provided the deck is also strong enough for a collapsed undercarriage landing. Any in service use of Helos, must be by the NS itself, after the P31 experience. Crewing is down to manning the ships Equipments especially in a man all stations situation. Automation of Defence CIWS systems is a help but in certain situations where stand to lasts beyond a rotation of watches," spares " may be needed to meet operational demands.
    HMS Forth OPV with an any console surveillance/FCS is heading to the Falklands. Has a 60 crew allocation with 36 on board at any one time. Can transport 50 troops has a range of weaponry mainly 30mm Auto plus two 7.62 134 mini guns plus 12.7mm's and lower caliber automatics. It seems she has a Commander in Command and puts the OPV fleet potentially at Nine, matching ourselves.

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      Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

      You mean 'it moves stuff to an austere disembarkation point'.

      Apart from the OPV element the functionality is exactly the same - and the RN have used the RFA's in the drugs interdiction role in the Caribbean and the counter piracy role off the Horn of Africa.

      The crux of the MRV/EPV/Whatever-the-hell-its-called-this-week is 'what do you want it to do?', and still there's no decision on whether it's an OPV with a couple of TEU's or a littoral logistics support ship with a flight deck you could see from the moon, a well deck and the ability to put a field hospital, a water purification and pumping station, an airfield control radar and fuel pumping system.

      It doesn't matter what you call it, it matters what it does.
      There we go. A vast disaster off East Africa involving former European colonies. There is an immediate need for disaster relief over a prolonged period with social and medical needs to the fore. A ship carrying and able to make potable water would be an asset. It takes one or two seasons of climatic disaster to prompt populations into believing they are living in the wrong place, thereby repeating the urge to migrate to Netflix land.

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      • The NS knows what they want from the MRV

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          The NS knows what they want from the MRV
          And does 'Defence' know what it wants from an MRV in NS service, and how does that compare with what the NS wants?

          And what does the NS want from an MRV?

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          • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
            And does 'Defence' know what it wants from an MRV in NS service, and how does that compare with what the NS wants?

            And what does the NS want from an MRV?
            Sounds are good

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            • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
              And does 'Defence' know what it wants from an MRV in NS service, and how does that compare with what the NS wants?

              And what does the NS want from an MRV?
              The MRV " will be enabled for helicopter operations and will also have a freight carrying capacity. It is the Governments intent that this new vessel will provide a flexible and adaptive capability for a wide range of maritime tasks both at home and overseas " White Paper.

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              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                The MRV " will be enabled for helicopter operations and will also have a freight carrying capacity. It is the Governments intent that this new vessel will provide a flexible and adaptive capability for a wide range of maritime tasks both at home and overseas " White Paper.
                So anything between a North Sea Barge, a Horizon class Frigate and a 20,000 ton LHD?

                Thats perfectly clear - I assume the dockyard will be cutting steel by the weekend....

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                • The NS knows what it wants and are fairly confident they will get support from a number of different departments, they didn’t go all the way to New Zealand for the crack, rather than the original mooted blue/green ship ... plan is this will be purple (ie joint)

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    The NS knows what it wants and are fairly confident they will get support from a number of different departments, they didn’t go all the way to New Zealand for the crack, rather than the original mooted blue/green ship ... plan is this will be purple (ie joint)
                    So, do you know what the NS want, or are you just saying that they know what they want?

                    Do you know if what the NS wants bares much relation to what the rest of Defence wants, or what the DoD wants, or what Coveney, Varadkar or Kehoe wants?

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                    • Kehoe is happy as long as its based in Wexford, he's even picked out a spot in Enniscorthy.

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                      • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                        So, do you know what the NS want, or are you just saying that they know what they want?

                        Do you know if what the NS wants bares much relation to what the rest of Defence wants, or what the DoD wants, or what Coveney, Varadkar or Kehoe wants?
                        The State (DF, DoD, Minister, the other Departments etc) know what they want... it’s a matter of time and funding .... the little that we were told was very positive.

                        We won’t be putting a Bde across the beach with it but we won’t be stuck with a Frigate or OPV with 10 TEUs either

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          The State (DF, DoD, Minister, the other Departments etc) know what they want... it’s a matter of time and funding .... the little that we were told was very positive.

                          We won’t be putting a Bde across the beach with it but we won’t be stuck with a Frigate or OPV with 10 TEUs either
                          Any penciled in idea for when the timing might fall due?

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                          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                            Any penciled in idea for when the timing might fall due?
                            When Gondor calls for aid, and Narnia answers?

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                            • It is part of the NDP 2018-2027 but I’d say it will be the next major project that goes to tender

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                              • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                                So, do you know what the NS want, or are you just saying that they know what they want?

                                Do you know if what the NS wants bares much relation to what the rest of Defence wants, or what the DoD wants, or what Coveney, Varadkar or Kehoe wants?
                                a vessel based on San Giusto but keep dimensions within 125m X 19.25 beam and draft as required to meet operational loads- say landing spots for two ab 212 sized helos, space for up to 150 troops and equipment on wheels, two winched landing craft, and a winched patrol craft ( large RHIB), hospital and Disaster relief capability, decent water making plants, Defence capability OTO 76mm, 2 x 30mm, other positions for 12.7mm, combat radars and decoy system, missile defence system, ability to assist OPV's to stay on task by resupply of dry stores and liquids other than water. Wing ballast tanks not more than 1.25 meters wide to allow ballasting ,de-ballasting at sea. Try for at least 800 tonnes of ballast water in 6 tanks. Crew about 60 all ranks.
                                Last edited by ancientmariner; 26 March 2019, 08:37.

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