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  • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
    I thought they made a point about these not impacting Albion/Bulwark, but didn't mention Argus which is why I was thinking she might be at risk in the mid term. As for Ocean she was apparently in a bit of a state, have the Brazilians made any progress on using her?
    It looked like they were going to be decommissioned but were saved last year

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    • The picture shown seems very similar to the MV Ocean Trader which the US MSC has recently converted!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_C_Ocean_Trader

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      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        The picture shown seems very similar to the MV Ocean Trader which the US MSC has recently converted!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_C_Ocean_Trader
        They also look similar to the Point Class the MoD still have on charter

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        • Originally posted by CTU View Post
          They also look similar to the Point Class the MoD still have on charter

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poin...s_sealift_ship
          They are the same design, so maybe they will convert one or two!
          Some good pictures on "The Drive";
          http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...s?iid=sr-link5

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          • For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • [QUOTE=na grohmitÃ*;466168]https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2019/...ike-ship-flss/[/QUOTE

              FLSS or MSV type ships are intended to be part of a troop movement wagon train as part of an invasion force. Our MRV is a balance of Air Logistics, Humanitarian Assistance, Disaster Relief, Fleet support for OPV's, Company level carriage and landing by craft, and OPV duties as required.

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              • [QUOTE=ancientmariner;466174]
                Originally posted by na grohmitÃ* View Post
                https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2019/...ike-ship-flss/[/QUOTE

                FLSS or MSV type ships are intended to be part of a troop movement wagon train as part of an invasion force. Our MRV is a balance of Air Logistics, Humanitarian Assistance, Disaster Relief, Fleet support for OPV's, Company level carriage and landing by craft, and OPV duties as required.
                You mean 'it moves stuff to an austere disembarkation point'.

                Apart from the OPV element the functionality is exactly the same - and the RN have used the RFA's in the drugs interdiction role in the Caribbean and the counter piracy role off the Horn of Africa.

                The crux of the MRV/EPV/Whatever-the-hell-its-called-this-week is 'what do you want it to do?', and still there's no decision on whether it's an OPV with a couple of TEU's or a littoral logistics support ship with a flight deck you could see from the moon, a well deck and the ability to put a field hospital, a water purification and pumping station, an airfield control radar and fuel pumping system.

                It doesn't matter what you call it, it matters what it does.

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                  Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                  You mean 'it moves stuff to an austere disembarkation point'.

                  Apart from the OPV element the functionality is exactly the same - and the RN have used the RFA's in the drugs interdiction role in the Caribbean and the counter piracy role off the Horn of Africa.

                  The crux of the MRV/EPV/Whatever-the-hell-its-called-this-week is 'what do you want it to do?', and still there's no decision on whether it's an OPV with a couple of TEU's or a littoral logistics support ship with a flight deck you could see from the moon, a well deck and the ability to put a field hospital, a water purification and pumping station, an airfield control radar and fuel pumping system.

                  It doesn't matter what you call it, it matters what it does.
                  Of course , but don't pigeon hole it to sombody else's design. It will be " as built " to our requirements. All ships can move and do stuff, so it's just a matter of degree and emphasis. Burn the brochures and get the outline specification written so that the builder(s) can conseptualise the General Arrangement and Outline Plan.

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    Of course , but don't pigeon hole it to sombody else's design. It will be " as built " to our requirements. All ships can move and do stuff, so it's just a matter of degree and emphasis. Burn the brochures and get the outline specification written so that the builder(s) can conseptualise the General Arrangement and Outline Plan.
                    For the rough idea of the budget that we have for the EPV how much do you think we're going to get for a bespoke one of a kind Irish design compared to an off the shelf design?

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                    • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                      For the rough idea of the budget that we have for the EPV how much do you think we're going to get for a bespoke one of a kind Irish design compared to an off the shelf design?
                      Price will be related to hull cost and how we tweak it and stuff it for it's roles. The builder may have a vessel in his designs that, with adjustment, will do the job. Rather similar to how we built all our ships since P20 to P64 a total of 11 ships.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                        For the rough idea of the budget that we have for the EPV how much do you think we're going to get for a bespoke one of a kind Irish design compared to an off the shelf design?


                        It has been stated that it will be an "off the shelf" hull and superstructure with minimal NS requirement changes.

                        This is to keep the cost down as well as to ensure that first of class problems don't hamper the vessel over its lifetime (a la P31)

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                        • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                          It has been stated that it will be an "off the shelf" hull and superstructure with minimal NS requirement changes.

                          This is to keep the cost down as well as to ensure that first of class problems don't hamper the vessel over its lifetime (a la P31)
                          Makes sense, which gets you back to what's within the price range that was talked about.

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                          • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                            It has been stated that it will be an "off the shelf" hull and superstructure with minimal NS requirement changes.

                            This is to keep the cost down as well as to ensure that first of class problems don't hamper the vessel over its lifetime (a la P31)
                            Buying a one-off design will mean a large percentage of the budget will get taken up with engineering and project managements costs. Taking the Spanish LPD program as an example the first vessel L51 Galicia cost around €140m, while her sister ship L52 Castilia cost €67m. Although not all the difference can be put down to the Galicia taking all the project costs and that GFE was not accounted for in Castilia it can be taken that between 25% and 35% of a one off design is just for the engineering/management cost. Therefore any vessels should be based upon an existing design or design series to minimize these costs and get the most ship for each €.

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                            • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                              It has been stated that it will be an "off the shelf" hull and superstructure with minimal NS requirement changes.

                              This is to keep the cost down as well as to ensure that first of class problems don't hamper the vessel over its lifetime (a la P31)
                              Just as a matter of information I would like to know what problems hampered P31 over its lifetime other than Service choices.

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                              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                                Just as a matter of information I would like to know what problems hampered P31 over its lifetime other than Service choices.
                                Wasn't there a problem with the fresh water and fuel systems polluting each other? (Or something like that..?)

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