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Originally posted by paul g View PostThen how can chile operate term from opv"We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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Originally posted by paul g View PostThey had four helicopters that with a bit of work were ideal for air ops from a ship of about 80 metres, and what did they do but sell them to Chile for a song who use them for exactly that.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmità View PostThey were never NS helicopters. That was made clear from the outset."We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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Originally posted by Turkey View PostTo be honest, I expect that was part of what was a massive refit, ya know, the one we should have given them.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAnd how long does it take to go from cadet day 1 to officer with NWC or day 1 apprentice to qualified ERA ?
You could crew the 9th ship in the morning, it shaving the reliefs available for them in two years time.
At the mo about 80 leave a year and let's say 100 join, the young folk (the actual workers) are not staying long
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I would repeat that an open door recruitment policy over 3 years would build up numbers and allow for 1st year intakes to make junior NCO in their third year. The current Naval Service reserve could be encouraged to volunteer for 6 month deployment to sea duties AND offer joining full time where suitable and appropriate
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Originally posted by DeV View PostIs it pointing towards the 5 year sailor contract and 3 year SSC not being long enough?
When a person is enlisted there must be a return of service period to cover costs and obtain a manpower value. If the enlistment period was 5 years then the return of service should be in the order of two years plus a one year notice of intention to leave. This gives both sides decision time and allows for training of replacements. This doesn't preclude discharge for service reasons or not being finally approved.
The RN operate a 12year engagement, with a 4 year return of service and one year notice to leave. Overall the ability to recruit as needed is the crucial factor in maintaining strengths.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe overall dead hand on recruitment are the Dept. of Finance controls which are exclusively fiscally driven. Recruits and new entries, re-entries, should be available when needed.
When a person is enlisted there must be a return of service period to cover costs and obtain a manpower value. If the enlistment period was 5 years then the return of service should be in the order of two years plus a one year notice of intention to leave. This gives both sides decision time and allows for training of replacements. This doesn't preclude discharge for service reasons or not being finally approved.
The RN operate a 12year engagement, with a 4 year return of service and one year notice to leave. Overall the ability to recruit as needed is the crucial factor in maintaining strengths.
Personally I think there is an issue in that NS officers are commissioned into a 3 year SSC which is the duration of their training, so in effect they only have to stay while in training?!
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe overall dead hand on recruitment are the Dept. of Finance controls which are exclusively fiscally driven. Recruits and new entries, re-entries, should be available when needed.
When a person is enlisted there must be a return of service period to cover costs and obtain a manpower value. If the enlistment period was 5 years then the return of service should be in the order of two years plus a one year notice of intention to leave. This gives both sides decision time and allows for training of replacements. This doesn't preclude discharge for service reasons or not being finally approved.
The RN operate a 12year engagement, with a 4 year return of service and one year notice to leave. Overall the ability to recruit as needed is the crucial factor in maintaining strengths.
There are way too many young, ex NS crew in the civilian workforce who would have given a far greater contribution to the NS once they had matured. Luckily An Garda Siochana seemed to have been happy to sweep many of them up over the years.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAFAIK recruitment is dissolved again (DPER approval no longer required).
Personally I think there is an issue in that NS officers are commissioned into a 3 year SSC which is the duration of their training, so in effect they only have to stay while in training?!For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAFAIK recruitment is dissolved again (DPER approval no longer required).
Personally I think there is an issue in that NS officers are commissioned into a 3 year SSC which is the duration of their training, so in effect they only have to stay while in training?!
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EITHNE's MRV REPLACEMENT
Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostSo from Kevin Marum's Dail Questions thread here's Kenny's answer in regarding hull numbers:
To me that suggests that P64 is a ninth ship and the replacement of Eithne and the Peacocks remains "tbd" rather than P64 replacing Eithne.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostIf we use NATO style Role levels, then a logistics ship , in an anticipated environment, should be equipped and manned, for specific periods, to a Role 2 level with four/six adaptable beds, and a theater. I would expect that units forward would do their own Role 1, including triage, and send those for further treatment back to the most appropriate service, or to home hospitals. Manning would have to be selective to cover anticipated use.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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