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Originally posted by Laners View PostLooking at how the UK is planing to go back to the future post Brexit maybe the'll introduce the press the gang again to crew their ships ,just like in the good old days when they were a world power and all that .Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostSo what's your suggestion? We buy a ship that is clearly for amphibious type operations (and could have a significant number of DF personnel on board for a mission) and hope that if it's ever deployed in an unstable area that either a) somebody comes along to protect it for us or b) paint it white and hope nobody throws a missile at it?
It comes back to the core issue of the EPV/MRV for me, if we are talking about something that's going to be doing more EU/UN operations out of EEZ in areas of instability then it's almost insane to talk about spending 200 million plus on it and then not having her fitted for defence, but that means it won't be 200 million either.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostCertainly has, but for slightly different reasons.
Our people are leaving because the job doesn't pay what it should... the RN, the pay is reasonable but with compulsory redundancies over the past few years they have been loosing key people forcing people to extended rotations aboard ships which unlike our own after often deployed away from home for 6 month periods.
Given how the RN has downsized in ship numbers the actual exit figures must be huge.
The problem of crews for the RN is not new even in the time of Nelson they had problems keeping the experience crews needed. And a lot of the problems from those times are the same today and the steady decline in the size and importance of the RN is an issue.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostKingston class carry up to three. These contain any combination of the following, depending on mission.- AN/SLQ-38 Mechanical Minesweeping system
- AN/SQS 511 Side scan sonar.
- Trailblazer 25 ROV
- HYSUB 50 ROV
- Containerised Diving system
- 6 Person accomodation modules.
- Remote minehunting and disposal system.
2 × Indal Technologies AN/SLQ 38 deep mechanical minesweeping systems
4 × MDA Ltd. AN/SQS 511 heavy-weight high-definition route survey systems
1 × ISE Ltd. Trailblazer 25 bottom object inspection vehicle
1 × ISE Ltd. HYSUB 50 deep seabed intervention system
2 × Fullerton and Sherwood Ltd. 6-man, 2-compartment containerized diving systems
6 × naval engineered 6-person accommodation modules
1 × MDA Ltd. Interim Remote Minehunting and Disposal System
Some like the 6-person accommodation modules would not be needed on the SB.
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Government policy is to replace the CPVs with similar vessels with counter-mine capability. I very much doubt that will be a 2nd and 3rd MRV. I also doubt it will be a specialist MCMV.
It should be a CPV (not an OPV tasked to do CPV work).
We are probably agreed that the most efficient way to do that is with a modular containerised system with a combination of diving and UUVs. For diving you need space for the LARS system and work area (let’s say equivalent to a TEU) and 2/3 TEUs (the 3rd container isn’t always used) - note that would include the current (not specialist counter mine) diving Equipment.
Could an OPV do the counter mine work as a CPV, quite possibly but they would possibly need to have more space aft.
There was a contract for counter-mine diving equipment.Last edited by DeV; 21 February 2018, 11:48.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAccording to the FOCNS in An Cosantoir Canterbury wouldn’t be suited to Irish West coast ops and is significantly bigger than what they are conceptualising.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostWhile I totally get why a design based off an Irish Sea Ro-RO wouldn't be suited for West Coast ops, just what size are they looking for so? I mean if it's to have any meaningful level of sea lift it's not going to be small.
cutting about the Med plucking refugees out of the water in 'Irelands most modern, most heavily armed warship' good. hanging around african ports bad.
LE Shit Frigate - 5,000 tons of sod all.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAccording to the FOCNS in An Cosantoir Canterbury wouldn’t be suited to Irish West coast ops and is significantly bigger than what they are conceptualising.
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Originally posted by ias View PostWell it is quite a bit larger than the Arrowhead 120 which, especially if ordered by the RN, must be a front runner (if you look at the Arrowhead brochure they use the P50s/P60s as references), also they talk alot about HADRO (Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief Operations). I know it may not be what was originally envisaged as an EPV but it does offer flexibility with accommodation for Crew plus additional 80 personnel, no specific mention of equipment though.
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Originally posted by ias View PostWell it is quite a bit larger than the Arrowhead 120 which, especially if ordered by the RN, must be a front runner (if you look at the Arrowhead brochure they use the P50s/P60s as references), also they talk alot about HADRO (Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief Operations). I know it may not be what was originally envisaged as an EPV but it does offer flexibility with accommodation for Crew plus additional 80 personnel, no specific mention of equipment though.
if they really are talking about something significantly, or even a bit, smaller than Canterbury then the multi-trole element of the buy is out of the window.
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Originally posted by ropebag View Postthey obviously don't want it to have a meaniful level of sealift.
cutting about the Med plucking refugees out of the water in 'Irelands most modern, most heavily armed warship' good. hanging around african ports bad.
LE Shit Frigate - 5,000 tons of sod all.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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