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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    If that is the upper band of what we will spend there's no chance of getting a Frigate of any value.
    It's not going to be a frigate or anything like it, its just going to be an extra-large patrol vessel with all the stuff OPV's have in other militaries, like a helideck, an air-search radar and the ability to transport troops and equipment. Just going to be a lot longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    That was when the OPV, which ended up costing just over €100m each, were supposed to cost €80m
    The OPV's cost about €71 million each with gun and VAT included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    It's not going to be a frigate or anything like it, its just going to be an extra-large patrol vessel with all the stuff OPV's have in other militaries, like a helideck, an air-search radar and the ability to transport troops and equipment. Just going to be a lot longer.



    The OPV's cost about €71 million each with gun and VAT included.
    My apologies. I misread articles like this one.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-34806125.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    It's not going to be a frigate or anything like it, its just going to be an extra-large patrol vessel with all the stuff OPV's have in other militaries, like a helideck, an air-search radar and the ability to transport troops and equipment. Just going to be a lot longer.



    The OPV's cost about €71 million each with gun and VAT included.
    There the problem, can't do much longer without increasing the width, there for it gets longer and wider and deeper in the water, so in essence you need to go back to the drawing board... or buy something of the required size off the shelf. So its probably going to be one of the Off the shelf 110metre OPVs out here. Not the quantum leap expected by some.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    There the problem, can't do much longer without increasing the width, there for it gets longer and wider and deeper in the water, so in essence you need to go back to the drawing board... or buy something of the required size off the shelf. So its probably going to be one of the Off the shelf 110metre OPVs out here. Not the quantum leap expected by some.
    The article and costs mentioned in the Jim Brady piece is dated from 2016 and is referring to GBS. We must do two things. The first is to accept that our current OPV's while good at eyeball and radar surveillance are punching way below their platform ( 2200tonnes ) capability. The second is to programme an increased Defence capability for at least half the fleet with improved self defence, target acquisition, intelligence and surveillance gathering. A mooted increased spending could be E25m per ship.
    The MRV must come with these aspects covered as her operational environment is potentially nearer conflict. As regards length , 120meters is doable as using our current LB ratio of 6.25 we have a workable beam of 19.355 metres

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    The article and costs mentioned in the Jim Brady piece is dated from 2016 and is referring to GBS.
    Tom Brady is the journalist, Jim Brady was a pain in the arse!

    The first is to accept that our current OPV's while good at eyeball and radar surveillance are punching way below their platform ( 2200tonnes ) capability.
    Bigger than most corvettes but relatively lightly equipped in comparrison but the upgrades suggested should be included in any new build going forward and retrofitted after that.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Tom Brady is the journalist, Jim Brady was a pain in the arse!



    Bigger than most corvettes but relatively lightly equipped in comparrison but the upgrades suggested should be included in any new build going forward and retrofitted after that.
    Right about the name and the pain . Freudian slip. The GBS gun foundation is in place. The Farmers yard appearance of the dried out berth for a E70m ship is a nightmare. Hope all goes well.

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