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Originally posted by expat01 View PostMedsailor's suggestion is not beyond Ireland's capabilities, or means. It's simply beyond our expectations of ourselves. The country has an inferiority complex that no longer matches its resources.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe EUBG means if your lead nation you provide the bulk of the troops and their equipment (which would be the more limiting factor).
given that its already 2016, no real work has been done on the EPV/MRV project for nearly a decade, there are no bids on the table and no one can come up with either a satisfactory requirement concept or point to an existing design that fits the bill, imagining that such a vessel will be in service before 2020 looks like being something of a stretch. if a vessel is in service for 35 years, it will be 2055 at least before it leaves service - predicating what a vessel in service in 2054 will need based on the turgid minutae of a project that everyone involved in that project says needs changing, seems to be pretty poor and self defeating way of using your brain.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostA great picture. Quite apt. That is a Vroon Jack-up Rig. It is literally a ship on four jackable legs. They are the company doing patrols with Vos Grace in the winter migrant patrols near Samos.
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Originally posted by Dogwatch View PostTo be pedantic, VOS are not doing patrols, the UK Border Force has contracted VOS to provide a ship, VOS Grace, to carry UKBF personnel, RN Medics & RM Protection Team to conduct UKBF patrols. Apologies....... ;-)
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Originally posted by ropebag View Postand do you believe that the current EUBG force generation concept is certain to be in force for the next 40 years? do you believe that the EUBG concept will be the only overseas missions that the DF will have taken part in by 2055?
given that its already 2016, no real work has been done on the EPV/MRV project for nearly a decade, there are no bids on the table and no one can come up with either a satisfactory requirement concept or point to an existing design that fits the bill, imagining that such a vessel will be in service before 2020 looks like being something of a stretch. if a vessel is in service for 35 years, it will be 2055 at least before it leaves service - predicating what a vessel in service in 2054 will need based on the turgid minutae of a project that everyone involved in that project says needs changing, seems to be pretty poor and self defeating way of using your brain.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostShips that fit the bill were mentioned as suitable or adaptable to our needs such as Norway's NORDKAPP or Denmark's ABSALON...
you're looking at €200m and change, and thats without a single weapons capability. you then have the very obvious issue that in having just the one ship of that capability, there will be significant periods during its service life when its simply not available due to re-fit etc.. so you find yourself having spent €200m on a capability that isn't available when you need it.
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Historically over the decades ships have increased in cost e.g. Deirdre 1 million , Eithne 26m, Roisin 40m, James Joyce 60m. Also historically ships are very durable, especially when propulsion and power are of reliable named manufacture, with good spares and technical support, throughout it's life. I think The Irish Naval Sevice has had full reliability especially from the Eithne and Deirdre class. Even if the Government moved to a Defence spend of 1.4% of GDP this would produce 2.7bn and even 1% would allot around 2bn. At the time of build every effort should be made to ensure an extendable life of estimated life plus 10%.. It is also necessary that ships, as outfitted, should retain their installed capabilities and not be neutered by exigencies created by shortfalls either in personnel or cash. Some countries have an emergency Defence Fund for such instances.
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I think we established the cost could be brought down to perhaps 125m or so - prev figures were for cost of two abalon sans removable missile units etc.
Nothing to sniff at, but manageable if spread over a few years. I assume any vessel capable of supporting land ops would be seen as an asset for the army as well.
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