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  • And how long does it take to go from cadet day 1 to officer with NWC or day 1 apprentice to qualified ERA ?

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    • Orla/Ciara & Eithne are not going anywhere for a good while yet.
      less or greater than five years?

      P 64 will be the 9th ship within two years but within three years of that unless there is continual building regardless of type, potentially you could be back below that number quite quickly.

      As another thread is already saying, expand the ships and you need to expand establishment.

      We have an establishment for 7 ships crewing 8.

      We don't have the bodies to crew 9 without expansion.

      And pay restoration to keep the youngest staff longer than 6-12 months.
      If these points are not addressed before delivery of the P64, might as well pack up and go home.

      Those who have joined in the bigger recruitment drives in the past two years will be gone before the next build is finished, 100 recruits per year is not going to address the current shortfall never mind any forthcoming brain drain.

      But as always as the economy improves the lack of parity between the public and private sector means people will be out the door in droves, and the more upskilling and education the NS provide the more attractive people become to the private sector.
      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        And how long does it take to go from cadet day 1 to officer with NWC or day 1 apprentice to qualified ERA ?
        Not disagreeing with you, but those issues along with others like accommodation/rates would still be present to a perhaps a lesser extent even without P64 being ordered. Of course the issues should still be made clear to the Minister/Politicians but at the same time if P64 does mark a start of a stated program to build up to 9 ships even if it causes more problems in the short to medium term then I don't see the issue. How often has the point been made about the EEZ size and the number of hulls?

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        • With regard to the Damen XO131L which was spoken of here, it seems to broadly fit into the specs of the EPV RFT, it could carry the Irish elements of the EUBG ISTAR TF (it would mean that the helideck and hanger would be full).

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          • What helos would be used?

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              With regard to the Damen XO131L which was spoken of here, it seems to broadly fit into the specs of the EPV RFT, it could carry the Irish elements of the EUBG ISTAR TF (it would mean that the helideck and hanger would be full).
              I'd go for a version that carries a decent radar like Sea Giraffe 4a or Smart-S and VLS for Sea Ceptor (-ER) and VL Spear 3. Also 127mm OTO with Volcano.

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              • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                What helos would be used?
                Well as Ireland is providing the recce element, it states to reason that Irish troops should/would be among the first elements on the ground.

                If it is the Swedish Battlegroup, the Swedes provide 4 x NH90 to the battlegroup. Also there are UAVs to consider.

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                • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                  What helos would be used?
                  None.......If the NS are to field helos in the future ships with helos capacity will have to be built. No current plans to do so.
                  And then a suitable naval compatable helos sourced and let all the training begin......again
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                  • According to rumours Polish officials want to sell the corvette/offshore patrol vessel "Slazak" as a ship which does not fit to their vision of the mo


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                    • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                      ???

                      Thats a post about a 95m vessel approximately the same weight as one of the Becket class OPV's, That has cost about 1/2 a billion to build, with a fairly high spec sensor/radar/combat management system, but without very many weapons to ..............you know .........manage?

                      How, in any way, does this fit even the widest spec for an EPV/MRV?

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                      • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                        None.......If the NS are to field helos in the future ships with helos capacity will have to be built. No current plans to do so.
                        And then a suitable naval compatable helos sourced and let all the training begin......again
                        It's my opinion that the NS should be allowed pick, operate, and maintain it's own helicopters, independent of the Air Corps.
                        "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                        Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                        Illegitimi non carborundum

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                        • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
                          It's my opinion that the NS should be allowed pick, operate, and maintain it's own helicopters, independent of the Air Corps.
                          You won't find anyone who had an opinion on the matter from a naval perspective disagree with you.

                          Don't think we will see it in our lifetime though
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
                            It's my opinion that the NS should be allowed pick, operate, and maintain it's own helicopters, independent of the Air Corps.
                            They had four helicopters that with a bit of work were ideal for air ops from a ship of about 80 metres, and what did they do but sell them to Chile for a song who use them for exactly that.
                            Last edited by paul g; 2 August 2016, 17:50.

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                            • The concept in question was a support to FP ops and technology took over and made the concept of using a helicon FP ops redundant and overly expenaive especially when there was no inward investment in the aer corps and helicopter purchase only came about as a necessity as opposed to an option.

                              Even if flight ops from Eithne had continued to the day the Dauphin had retired we would have had options. Sadly again the foresight was missing and we no longer have the option.
                              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                              • Originally posted by paul g View Post
                                They had four helicopters that with a bit of work were ideal for air ops from a ship of about 80 metres, and what did they do but sell them to Chile for a song who use them for exactly that.
                                2 helicopters Paul, the other 2 were not suitable for shipboard operations.
                                "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                                Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                                Illegitimi non carborundum

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