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  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    It is my understanding that the Medical Corps posess a modular field hospital, based around a number of TEUs. Given the original plan was a vessel that could hold a specific amount of TEU on deck, could this still be a concept runner? When not in use as a hospital ship, the deck would carry other items.
    Not sure if they bought a newer one but this what it looks/looked like
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    But again their aren't MOs to man it
    Last edited by DeV; 18 October 2016, 23:47.

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    • If she, is a hospital ship would she thus have to be disarned etc (save for some small arms) and be siutably painted and marked etc.

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      • Originally posted by danno View Post
        If she, is a hospital ship would she thus have to be disarned etc (save for some small arms) and be siutably painted and marked etc.
        I presume she wouldn't be designated a hospital ship, just have hospital capability on board, I mean no different than other multirole ships.

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        • Fair enough, mention had been made here of hospital ships hence the query.

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          • The "Hospital Ship" for the NS seems to have been Endas vanity project for the last number of years. Can we just get a decent bloody MRV/EPV with a modular deck that can be fitted out with a hospital configuration so that the other 90% of the time it is not needed as a floating hospital, the NS can have it for other uses?
            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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            • If it has a hospital capability, what's the betting some TD will propose letting the HSE use it to alleviate over crowding in Hospitals?

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              • Irish naval mrv

                Originally posted by ODIN View Post
                The "Hospital Ship" for the NS seems to have been Endas vanity project for the last number of years. Can we just get a decent bloody MRV/EPV with a modular deck that can be fitted out with a hospital configuration so that the other 90% of the time it is not needed as a floating hospital, the NS can have it for other uses?
                Hopefully " Hospital " role will be only one of it's many functions. She should have the ability to keep a couple of OPV's on station in a time-lined operational task. Requirement also to replenish Fleet dry stores, including food, and in some at sea configuration, transfer liquids, principally Fuel and oils. All of that presumes that all of our new ships are RAS compatible and can accept pumped fuel through a closable system.

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                • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                  Hopefully " Hospital " role will be only one of it's many functions. She should have the ability to keep a couple of OPV's on station in a time-lined operational task. Requirement also to replenish Fleet dry stores, including food, and in some at sea configuration, transfer liquids, principally Fuel and oils. All of that presumes that all of our new ships are RAS compatible and can accept pumped fuel through a closable system.
                  Sounds like something that would be found in the RFA.
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • Mrv/epv

                    Originally posted by ODIN View Post
                    Sounds like something that would be found in the RFA.
                    The Taoiseach has mentioned ordering/ putting out to tender for a replacement vessel for Eithne. This will be our biggest new ship expenditure and will need a programme office in the DOD to ensure cost overruns are minimised. Ship costs are generally made up in four main tranches, Steel and materials, Outfit and military equipments, Labour costs including yard overheads, and yard profit. The yard profit should always be held fixed and not be effected by increases or losses in the other three areas. This is to try and remove any incentive to "grow" costs.
                    Steel structure prices are quite volatile but at the moment are cheapest in Asia at about 500usd per tonne. A 10,000 tonne ship is about 5,500 tonnes of steel at 500usd per tonne or 2,750,00 usd +Labour +overheads + total outfit + fixed profit. The remaining weights are in the outfit, stores, power and propulsion etc.
                    Last edited by ancientmariner; 31 October 2016, 10:29.

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                    • The key, experience has found to limit cost overruns, is to tie in a contract price at the outset, with penalties for the builder for late delivery or cost overrun.
                      Most of the larger yards are used to working this way. Unfortunately we have not dealt with larger yards in naval vessel building in Ireland.
                      Appledore is too small to build such a vessel. The P60 class is their absolute maximum size, and much of the completion had to be done, as we know, outdoors, sitting on mud for 16 hours a day.
                      Contrast this with the recent float out of the new RN OPV, which was driven (on wheels) out of the build hall fully complete, loaded onto a floating dock, and floated off it where there was sufficient depth of water.
                      Yes we have had a good working relationship with Babcock Appledore, for which in return they have delivered us ships late, with engineering issues that caused further delays in commencing full operations.

                      We need to remember we are not there to do a yard a service by giving them an order. They are there to provide a service to us, for delivering what we want when we want it. If they get their figures wrong at tender time, that is their error that they should have to foot the bill for.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • How much have the Babcocks overrun in price so far? Is it as bad as Verlohme were?

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                        • Who said they have?
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Is the fourth P60 priced in Sterling or Euro? If it's Sterling we seem to have a 20% reduction due on completion.

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                            • AFAIK the £/€ rate is fixed at whatever was agreed at the time which should be favourable to the DoD as the deal was announced post BXT. Might be a while before another unit of whatever size/type is acquired as the P60s were to be paid for by instalments with the poss of 4 hitting the bank yearly from 2016 on.

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                              • Shipbuilding Costs.

                                Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
                                Is the fourth P60 priced in Sterling or Euro? If it's Sterling we seem to have a 20% reduction due on completion.
                                Ships are usually costed from a basket of currencies, to include costs of major ranges of Equipment/ Outfit. It depends on where the bits and pieces are bought from. Typical basket might include Sterling, Euro, Yen, Usd, Sw Kronor, Renminbi/Yuan, Danish Kr. etc.
                                Clauses will include exchange rates and what happens if the shipyard goes bust.

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