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Originally posted by spider View PostThey are deepening Portsmouth to accomodate them...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17012417
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAll the pilots being embarked will need to be carrier qualified (which limits your pool of available aircrew, it's unlikely they will all be (even if simpler than cats & traps).
Originally posted by DeV View PostA fairly significant portion of your aircrew are going to be tied up in providing air defence to the carrier (which means obviously they need to be AD combat ready (unclear if all a/c will have AD capabilities and all aircrew will be trained to that status).
Originally posted by DeV View PostAll in all, the RN will get its biggest ever vessels in other to carry aircraft but the combined RAF & FAA will not be able to deploy enough a/c (or aircrew) to provide more than a token carrier strike capability against near peer threats. Especially not when the same a/c and aircrew will also be required for land based ops.
which 'near peer' adversary do you have in mind?
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Originally posted by ropebag View Post'carrier qualification' will be part of the OCU programme for F-35 aircrew. based on current, live experience with F-35B operating from USN platforms smaller than the QE's, carrier qualification on F-35B will be easier than it was on Harriers, and you'll recall from 1982 that the Harrier carrier qualification was 'fly to Portsmouth and land on the big grey thing...'
AD is part of the OCU syllabus for all UK F-35B aircrew. all UK F-35B will be (as in are now, and every one coming off the production line will also be..) fittED for and with AIM-120C and AIM-132, and the integration for Meteor BVRAAM is funded. all F-35B radar - which is an upgrade of the radar used by the F-22 - and other avionics systems are the same.
the Force Element @ Readiness for UK F-35 is projected at around 80 airframes. you can fit about 40 F-35B on a QE carrier, and the assumption is that while we may be able to surge both in an emergency, we can only be certain of one being available - so upto 40 on the carrier, and 40 for land based operations together with around 100 Typhoon FGR4.
Generally there are differences in aircraft (eg Tornado and Typhoon), where different versions, tranches and squadrons specialise.
If true that can only be a good thing.
which 'near peer' adversary do you have in mind?
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The days of specialised single role Fighter aircraft ended around the time of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. RAF Jaguar strike aircraft were retro fitted with sidewinder anti aircraft missiles, USN F14 interceptors were fitted with pods on the belly to carry "dumb" bombs, as there was an absolute absence of aircraft for them to shoot down. The move is towards a wide variety of weapons being carried on the same aircraft, depending on its role for the day.
Keep in mind the F35B is intended to replace the USMC F/A18.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostTo have all crews trained (and current) in all roles (and all aircraft capable of all roles) will be new.
Originally posted by DeV View PostGenerally there are differences in aircraft (eg Tornado and Typhoon), where different versions, tranches and squadrons specialise.
Originally posted by DeV View PostWho knows
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Do a bit of research on the various on the various tranches and blocks of Typhoon and come back.
The initial RAF Typhoons had zero air to ground capability (it was done urgently for Afghanistan after around 5 years in service) they were then upgraded to have some and then upgraded to full multi role.
In the 14 years or so since delivery the RAF has operated 14 different tranches and blocks of Typhoon
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Yes. But single type doing many roles instead of a single role aircraft which was once the norm. Take a look at the R.A.F or FAA of 20 years ago to see what I mean. Many aircraft replaced by a single type. The usn is slowly moving in the same direction. Where once you had F14 , A6, EA6, F18, P3 you now find just F18 or EF18.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by danno View Post
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostWhile I can understand so degree of crew issues, they are working up the largest warship the RN has ever had, did they think it was going to be quick or easy?For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Last edited by danno; 13 June 2017, 22:39.
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