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  • First look inside HMS Queen Elizabeth...

    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    • For those interested, the thread is back.
      "Fellow-soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, I have just received a communication from Commandant Pearse calling on us to surrender and you will agree with me that this is the hardest task we have been called upon to perform during this eventful week, but we came into this fight for Irish Independence in obedience to the commands of our higher officers and now in obedience to their wishes we must surrender. I know you would, like myself, prefer to be with our comrades who have already fallen in the fight - we, too, should rather die in this glorious struggle than submit to the enemy." Volunteer Captain Patrick Holahan to 58 of his men at North Brunswick Street, the last group of the Four Courts Garrison to surrender, Sunday 30 April 1916.

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      • Where did it go?


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
          Where did it go?
          The thread was accidently deleted. It was recovered from a backup.
          "Fellow-soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, I have just received a communication from Commandant Pearse calling on us to surrender and you will agree with me that this is the hardest task we have been called upon to perform during this eventful week, but we came into this fight for Irish Independence in obedience to the commands of our higher officers and now in obedience to their wishes we must surrender. I know you would, like myself, prefer to be with our comrades who have already fallen in the fight - we, too, should rather die in this glorious struggle than submit to the enemy." Volunteer Captain Patrick Holahan to 58 of his men at North Brunswick Street, the last group of the Four Courts Garrison to surrender, Sunday 30 April 1916.

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          • Has th person who accidentally deleted it been fired?


            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • Meanwhile, UK pilots finally got to fly some F35Bs, even if the Secretary for Defence was guarded about whether he is going to buy all the aircraft they originally needed. Typhoon replacement???


              Britain is buying 48 new F35 jump jet Joint Strike Fighters - or Lightning IIs - but may rethink plans for a further 90.

              The aircraft already on order will serve the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, which is under construction and due to see the first of the Lightning IIs fly from its deck in 2018, ahead of operational service in 2020.

              But the Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has told Sky News he could not commit to a further 90 planes which were originally proposed as they were dependent on "politics, money and the state of the world."

              He also said it was "dependent on what is not yet clearly known, what the mix between manned fighter jets and unmanned aircraft is going to be."

              He said there were two trains of thought, one suggesting an 80/20 split of manned and unmanned aircraft, the other the exact opposite.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • Originally posted by SwiftandSure View Post
                  I wonder if the Argentinians are rubbing their hands at this news?
                  Not with the current state of their own navy.

                  Connaught Stranger

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                  • Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
                    Not with the current state of their own navy.

                    Connaught Stranger
                    i saw a rather cruel - and therefore amusing - quip that suggested that the Argentine Navy would sink if it wasn't tied to the shore.

                    of course even that didn't save its Type 42 recently...

                    the FI are militarily safe as long as MPA is retained and a fighter force remains in place paired with significant radar and SIGINT capability - Argentina would take several years of spending and build-up from its current posture to get to a point where it could raid, let alone invade, the FI. even then, the UK has enough rapid surge capability to nulify such a build-up in the space of a week, and could keep it there indefinately.

                    as with last time, correllation of forces isn't the problem - the problem is being aware there's a problem and then acting on it. fortunately, this time we're actively looking for reasons to think there's a problem, rather than burying our heads in the sand and singing 'la la la they wouldn't invade, because it would make us look foolish'.

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                    • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                      Has th person who accidentally deleted it been fired?
                      No, and I blame the government really

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                      • Another animation of the ships operating in ideal conditions. i.e with aircraft, and together.....


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier section completed

                          Published on 29/05/2013 16:29



                          The final section of the Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier was completed at BAE Systems in Scotstoun in Glasgow yesterday.



                          The Aft Island section of the carrier will be loaded onto a barge before being transported to Rosyth where the rest of the ship is being constructed.

                          Six UK shipyards are involved in building various parts of the ship. The vessel will not be finished until 2016 at the earliest, and may not be ready for active service until 2020, when it will be based in Portsmouth.

                          The navy is expected to have no aircraft carriers between 2014, when HMS Illustrious is taken out of service, and 2016, when HMS Queen Elizabeth is completed. The government decided to retire the HMS Ark Royal and its fleet of Harrier jump jets in 2011, five years early.

                          Constructed by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, the Queen Elizabeth will be the Royal Navy’s largest ever warship.



                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • Published on May 30, 2013


                            In early May 2013 the aft island of HMS Queen Elizabeth - UB14 - was moved from the Scotstoun build hall to the dockside.

                            Once on the dockside work continued to prepare for its move to the Rosyth assembly site in June.

                            This timelapse shows how the delivate operation was completed.



                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • In pictures: HMS Queen Elizabeth loaded onto Clyde


                              A section of the HMS Queen Elizabeth is loaded onto a barge on the River Clyde. Picture: Robert Perry



                              By PAUL WARD
                              Published on 11/06/2013 18:20



                              A 750-tonne section of the UK’s biggest aircraft carrier has been loaded on to a barge in the River Clyde.



                              • 750-tonne section of an aircraft carrier is loaded onto River Clyde barge

                              • HMS Queen Elizabeth will be UK’s biggest aircraft carrier

                              Workers at BAE System’s Scotstoun yard will now weld and secure the aft island to the barge before it leaves for Rosyth, Fife, on June 16 to join the other sections of the massive ship.

                              The aft island, which will host the carrier’s air traffic control centre, is the last major section of the HMS Queen Elizabeth to be made on the Clyde and has been completed ahead of schedule, BAE said.



                              HMS Queen Elizabeth and another aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, are the largest warships ever constructed for the Royal Navy.

                              The first is due to be launched in 2016.

                              Six shipyards around the UK are involved in building various parts of the ships, which are ultimately being assembled in Fife. Once complete it will be 280m (919ft) long and weigh more than 65,000 tonnes.

                              They are being built by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, a partnership of BAE Systems, Babcock, Thales and the Ministry of Defence.

                              About 10,000 people have worked on the construction at various stages and crews of 1,600, including pilots, will populate each ship when they are in service.




                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • Will they be ok sizewise, to dock in the regular RN bases.

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