Originally posted by Goldie fish
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Am I the only one baffelled by their decision to put HMS Ocean, the navies specially build helicopter Carrier/Amphibious assault ship, into reserve and instead operate heli's off an older aircraft carrier??
Also, is it not more expensive to operate a carrier with a catapult?
Or would the high cost of operating the VTOL f35 cancel out the savings made with a carrier without the catapult?Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
The Charge of the Light Brigade
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Originally posted by ZULU View PostMe too. Especially when 3 Cmdo aren't being touched.
That way if things did kick off, before the fully equipt QE Class arrived with aircraft, then they could be put back into service.Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
The Charge of the Light Brigade
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Originally posted by DeV View PostSo long as the all arms capability is maintained! Remember there are still conventional battles! Other countries have used heavy armour in Afghanistan to good effect.
As so a recruitment ban until 2015 so, the document says redundanies (again!).
i think the Danes have up to 8 Leopard 2's in theatre - hardly a conventional force.
we have over 400 Challenger 2 MBT's - being left with 240 after the cuts will still leave us in a position to fight in conventional warfare and we can easily field more MBT's than any other nation, other than the US so your doom and gloom regarding our MBT's is way off the mark.
and who said anything about a recruiting ban? there will no doubt be some compulsory redundancies but we will still be recruiting thousands annually, and promoting as usual.
so even lads from Ireland can still come and join us if they don't make the '200' at home this year.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish
Why the troublesome, expensive, and inflexible submarines were spared though is even harder to understand."The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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Originally posted by mugs View PostAm I the only one baffelled by their decision to put HMS Ocean, the navies specially build helicopter Carrier/Amphibious assault ship, into reserve and instead operate heli's off an older aircraft carrier??
Or would the high cost of operating the VTOL f35 cancel out the savings made with a carrier without the catapult?
Originally posted by mugs View PostI mean why not scrap one carrier (which by-the-way I thought there were three Invincible Class Carriers in service) moth ball the other Carrier and moth ball all but 12 Harriers and keep a Squadron of 12 going under RAF command to keep the skills.
That way if things did kick off, before the fully equipt QE Class arrived with aircraft, then they could be put back into service.
Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Postand who said anything about a recruiting ban? there will no doubt be some compulsory redundancies but we will still be recruiting thousands annually, and promoting as usual.
so even lads from Ireland can still come and join us if they don't make the '200' at home this year.
Originally posted by Goldie fishI think the Invasion of iraq will be seen as the last great tank battle.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostYou will be definitely be recruiting less as less places to fill plus your fully manned.
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Hi there,
just a point to easyrider; gas turbine powered carriers generate more than enough steam for a catapult system.Considering the size of a carrier, the cat system is actually quite small, being mostly confined to directly under the deck.
Apart from all that, can someone explain why the RN are in the Caribbean, given that it's so close to the USA anyway?
regards
GttC
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View PostHi there,
just a point to easyrider; gas turbine powered carriers generate more than enough steam for a catapult system.Considering the size of a carrier, the cat system is actually quite small, being mostly confined to directly under the deck.
Apart from all that, can someone explain why the RN are in the Caribbean, given that it's so close to the USA anyway?
regards
GttC"Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet." -Mark Steyn. What an IMO-centric quote, eh?
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View PostHi there,
just a point to easyrider; gas turbine powered carriers generate more than enough steam for a catapult system.Considering the size of a carrier, the cat system is actually quite small, being mostly confined to directly under the deck.?
regards
GttC
An alternative would be the system the USN is currently fitting to their newest carrier ( USS Ford ?) which I think uses an electrically powered linear motor. She is not due to be commissioned until 2015. Even that would use huge amounts of power, no problem on a nuclear powered job.
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EMALS = Electro Magnetic Aircraft Launch System - aka rail gun
"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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Hi there,
Gas turbines will give you as much steam energy as you need.After all, how do you think the Ringsends of the world work? Instead of filling a furnace with coal,to heat water, to make steam to drive a steam turbine, you attach a jet engine, run it on diesel or gas or whatever can be vapourised and let it do the heavy lifting. Gas turbines on ships drive the props thru a reduction gearbox or else make steam and let a steam turbine drive the props thru the gearbox. Exhaust temps would be higher than 500 deg C, with around 750 C being typical.Gas turbines are also combined with diesels (CODAG) to allow for fast or slow speed work.
regards
GttC
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View PostApart from all that, can someone explain why the RN are in the Caribbean, given that it's so close to the USA anyway?
regards
GttC
As faughanballagh says protectorates/territorities (there were Harriers in Belize for a good while), but also contribution to fight on drugs, disaster relief etc
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