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Originally posted by California Tanker View PostWe do have the advantage of a fairly competent air force to deal with any overhead issues. SLAMRAAM was only cancelled yesterday, and as far as I know, there are still plenty of Avengers mucking around.
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In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.Last edited by paul g; 13 January 2011, 11:09.
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Originally posted by paul g View PostBut the thing is that we'll serve overseas in future in conjunction with western forces in the future, as in chad and soon the lebanon, so there will be air support from a competent western airforce ( reflected in aircorps staff now deploying with army units to co-ordinate air support).
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In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.
i guess that is the advantage of having individuals already trained as soldiers within the Air Corps who can conduct such operations.
as for route clearance - yes heavy investment is needed in this area but you are already on your way with the RG32.
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Originally posted by paul g View PostBut the thing is that we'll serve overseas in future in conjunction with western forces in the future, as in chad and soon the lebanon, so there will be air support from a competent western airforce ( reflected in aircorps staff now deploying with army units to co-ordinate air support).
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In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.
It's called Privates
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Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Postwhat?Last edited by The real Jack; 13 January 2011, 20:10.Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.
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Originally posted by The real Jack View PostMastiffs and whatever gay name the mod gave the other.
and who was talking about British vehicles?
Paul G said that to Hello Alsaka who is in the Irish DF.
anyhow, if you do come and join us Real Jack - one of those 'gay name' vehicles you mention like Mastiff, Ridgeback, Foxhound, Husky, Panther, Wolfhound, Warthog or even the Jackal or Coyote may save your life some day so i wouldn't knock it.
we do have Buffalo too but i doub't you will be ever in one of these:
and keeping on topic, didn't the SAS take out a chopper full of Argentine SF with a Stinger in the Falklands? i've been hearing that story ever since i went down there.Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 13 January 2011, 20:47.
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Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Postand keeping on topic, didn't the SAS take out a chopper full of Argentine SF with a Stinger in the Falklands? i've been hearing that story ever since i went down there.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe Stinger was being carried on the SAS raid of Darwin (prior to 2 Para attacking Goose Green), it shot down a Pucara on the route march back. As far as I remember from Max Hasting's book there were no other shoot downs by Stinger.
There was subsequently no further successful use of the system because the only SAS member trained in the use of Stinger was killed in a Sea King crash two days before the Pucara was brought down by his colleague. It had been intended for him to train his fellow SAS members in it's use, and it was their unfamiliarity with the weapons recharging procedures that rendered the remaining four useless.
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yeah i was told something along those lines but it was beefed up a bit by the time i heard it through the squaddie rumour chain.
it's like bloody cat and mouse though, we shoot them down, then they kill our lad who is supposed to train the rest...
we learn by mistakes i guess, but i'm glad they were successful in bringing down 2 enemy aircraft with the Stinger.
incidentally when we were on patrol conducting deterrent ops in the Falklands, we actually found a long lost Pucara which had gone down in a bog and had partially resurfaced over 12 years when we spotted it. the family of the crew came to the island to repatriate the bodies. i think that one was taken out by a Harrier and not a Stinger.
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostThere were two Stinger shoot downs in the Falklands. The second was an Argentine Puma nine days after the Pucara was downed. Six Stingers had been acquired by the SAS prior to deployment.
There was subsequently no further successful use of the system because the only SAS member trained in the use of Stinger was killed in a Sea King crash two days before the Pucara was brought down by his colleague. It had been intended for him to train his fellow SAS members in it's use, and it was their unfamiliarity with the weapons recharging procedures that rendered the remaining four useless.
"Paddy came to 22SAS in 1966. He served in South Arabia(Aden), Belize, Northern Ireland, Dhofar, Norway and the United States. A specialist Signaller, free-fall parachutist and Norwegian linguist, he was recalled from the US to serve in the Falklands because of his training in the use of the Stinger surface-to-air missile. Unfortunately he was killed in the helicopter crash, shortly after he had parachuted into the South Atlantic to join the task force."
That sea King crash in the Falklands was the worst disaster to hit the SAS since WWII.Last edited by Vanguard; 14 January 2011, 00:03.
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Three reason why we didn't buy them.
1. They cost money - $50,000-100,000 per pop
2. They might be used and need to be replaced, costing more money.
3. Using them might cause an "international incident", even while on UN duty, that might result in retaliation.
Notably, when the French moved in to South Lebanon in 2006, the Crotale(?) launchers were turned off after a few days in case they shot down any Israeli aircraft that were still over-flying Lebanon.Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead
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