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  • #31
    Originally posted by turbocalves View Post
    The last time i recall there being an air threat (i may be wrong on this) on an overseas mission was in the congo, this set a precedent early on yet nothing was done about it. And I cant see it changing
    I read somewhere that Bofors were deployed with ONUC (not sure if they were Irish or not).

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    • #32
      Originally posted by California Tanker View Post
      We do have the advantage of a fairly competent air force to deal with any overhead issues. SLAMRAAM was only cancelled yesterday, and as far as I know, there are still plenty of Avengers mucking around.

      NTM
      But the thing is that we'll serve overseas in future in conjunction with western forces in the future, as in chad and soon the lebanon, so there will be air support from a competent western airforce ( reflected in aircorps staff now deploying with army units to co-ordinate air support).
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      In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.
      Last edited by paul g; 13 January 2011, 12:09.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by paul g View Post
        But the thing is that we'll serve overseas in future in conjunction with western forces in the future, as in chad and soon the lebanon, so there will be air support from a competent western airforce ( reflected in aircorps staff now deploying with army units to co-ordinate air support).
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        In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.
        i'd say that's a pretty good idea embedding your Air Corps troops with the Army, we do it the other way around - we train soldiers to work with the RAF but i'd actually say what you are doing is better. (see - i do give credit where credit is due!)

        i guess that is the advantage of having individuals already trained as soldiers within the Air Corps who can conduct such operations.

        as for route clearance - yes heavy investment is needed in this area but you are already on your way with the RG32.
        RGJ

        ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

        The Rifles

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        • #34
          Originally posted by paul g View Post
          But the thing is that we'll serve overseas in future in conjunction with western forces in the future, as in chad and soon the lebanon, so there will be air support from a competent western airforce ( reflected in aircorps staff now deploying with army units to co-ordinate air support).
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          In the present climate, I rather resources were spent on technology for route clearance and C-IED equipment.
          We already have C-IED equipment.

          It's called Privates

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hello Alaska View Post
            We already have C-IED equipment.

            It's called Privates
            Nice one.

            Would be nice to have something like the husky and buffalo to complement them though.
            Last edited by paul g; 13 January 2011, 21:36.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by paul g View Post
              But you also have those husky's and buffaloes.
              what?
              RGJ

              ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

              The Rifles

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                what?
                Mastiffs and whatever gay name the mod gave the other.
                Last edited by The real Jack; 13 January 2011, 21:10.
                Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                  Mastiffs and whatever gay name the mod gave the other.
                  you sound a bit too homophobic to me mate and need to chillax

                  and who was talking about British vehicles?

                  Paul G said that to Hello Alsaka who is in the Irish DF.

                  anyhow, if you do come and join us Real Jack - one of those 'gay name' vehicles you mention like Mastiff, Ridgeback, Foxhound, Husky, Panther, Wolfhound, Warthog or even the Jackal or Coyote may save your life some day so i wouldn't knock it.

                  we do have Buffalo too but i doub't you will be ever in one of these:



                  and keeping on topic, didn't the SAS take out a chopper full of Argentine SF with a Stinger in the Falklands? i've been hearing that story ever since i went down there.
                  Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 13 January 2011, 21:47.
                  RGJ

                  ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                  The Rifles

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                  • #39
                    Moved to A&AR. Carry on !
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                      and keeping on topic, didn't the SAS take out a chopper full of Argentine SF with a Stinger in the Falklands? i've been hearing that story ever since i went down there.
                      The Stinger was being carried on the SAS raid of Darwin (prior to 2 Para attacking Goose Green), it shot down a Pucara on the route march back. As far as I remember from Max Hasting's book there were no other shoot downs by Stinger.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        The Stinger was being carried on the SAS raid of Darwin (prior to 2 Para attacking Goose Green), it shot down a Pucara on the route march back. As far as I remember from Max Hasting's book there were no other shoot downs by Stinger.
                        There were two Stinger shoot downs in the Falklands. The second was an Argentine Puma nine days after the Pucara was downed. Six Stingers had been acquired by the SAS prior to deployment.

                        There was subsequently no further successful use of the system because the only SAS member trained in the use of Stinger was killed in a Sea King crash two days before the Pucara was brought down by his colleague. It had been intended for him to train his fellow SAS members in it's use, and it was their unfamiliarity with the weapons recharging procedures that rendered the remaining four useless.

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                        • #42
                          yeah i was told something along those lines but it was beefed up a bit by the time i heard it through the squaddie rumour chain.

                          it's like bloody cat and mouse though, we shoot them down, then they kill our lad who is supposed to train the rest...

                          we learn by mistakes i guess, but i'm glad they were successful in bringing down 2 enemy aircraft with the Stinger.

                          incidentally when we were on patrol conducting deterrent ops in the Falklands, we actually found a long lost Pucara which had gone down in a bog and had partially resurfaced over 12 years when we spotted it. the family of the crew came to the island to repatriate the bodies. i think that one was taken out by a Harrier and not a Stinger.
                          RGJ

                          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                          The Rifles

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                            There were two Stinger shoot downs in the Falklands. The second was an Argentine Puma nine days after the Pucara was downed. Six Stingers had been acquired by the SAS prior to deployment.

                            There was subsequently no further successful use of the system because the only SAS member trained in the use of Stinger was killed in a Sea King crash two days before the Pucara was brought down by his colleague. It had been intended for him to train his fellow SAS members in it's use, and it was their unfamiliarity with the weapons recharging procedures that rendered the remaining four useless.
                            Thats right, Staff Sergeant P. O'Connor, Irish Guards, G Squadron, he was an Irishman, he was seconded to the Delta Force to train as a Stinger instructor.

                            "Paddy came to 22SAS in 1966. He served in South Arabia(Aden), Belize, Northern Ireland, Dhofar, Norway and the United States. A specialist Signaller, free-fall parachutist and Norwegian linguist, he was recalled from the US to serve in the Falklands because of his training in the use of the Stinger surface-to-air missile. Unfortunately he was killed in the helicopter crash, shortly after he had parachuted into the South Atlantic to join the task force."

                            That sea King crash in the Falklands was the worst disaster to hit the SAS since WWII.
                            Last edited by Vanguard; 14 January 2011, 01:03.

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                            • #44
                              yeah that was a sh|t day all right. especially having survived the para drop into ice cold water, it's a shame we lost such an obviously brilliant soldier, along with a whole lot of other good men in that conflict.
                              RGJ

                              ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                              The Rifles

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                              • #45
                                Three reason why we didn't buy them.

                                1. They cost money - $50,000-100,000 per pop
                                2. They might be used and need to be replaced, costing more money.
                                3. Using them might cause an "international incident", even while on UN duty, that might result in retaliation.

                                Notably, when the French moved in to South Lebanon in 2006, the Crotale(?) launchers were turned off after a few days in case they shot down any Israeli aircraft that were still over-flying Lebanon.
                                Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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