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    Israel (Ben Net) has given one month to review all Israeli facilitated UN missions in th area. Come feb, we'll know if UNIFIL, UNTSO and UNDOF will be around. Well maybe UNFiL could survive but not if US veto

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    No 5 is quite worrying.

    But let's face it the UN as opposed to the chaps on the ground are a bunch of useless wankers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1916784e30be
    It isn't clear which side this lecturer is on


    http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

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    http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-peac...south-lebanon/

    Groups of civilians attacked United Nations peacekeepers on patrol in two incidents in southern Lebanon on Friday, damaging their vehicles but causing no injuries, the mission said in a statement.

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    'Jihadist threat' to Irish peacekeepers in south Lebanon


    Major General Michael Beary said his biggest concern is the jihadist threat (Pic: UNIFIL)

    Irish and other peacekeepers serving in south Lebanon are target for militant jihadists, according to the commander of the UN force there.

    Speaking to RTÉ's This Week programme, UNIFIL Force Commander Major General Michael Beary said: "Probably the biggest concern for me is the jihadist threat and any threat that would develop with regard to UNIFIL.

    "Definitely, we would be a target for that kind of activity because a lot of the member states who are contributing to UNIFIL are part of the global coalition against ISIS, so it is something I have to be very careful with."

    More than 300 Irish soldiers currently serve in Lebanon as part of the international force.

    The loss of territory by extremist Sunni groups in Syria and Iraq has given rise to concerns that they could seek to escape to Lebanon and combine with existing groups based in the Palestinian refugee camps.

    "Our indications would certainly be that, with the retrenchment of ISIS and such groups as Nusra in Syria and in Iraq, that there is the possibility that they will seek to exit through Lebanon," said Maj General Beary.

    "We do know, for example, that we have Sunnite jihadists within the body of some of the Palestinian refugee camps, so we have to be extremely careful with that to ensure that it doesn't affect the work of UNIFIL in south Lebanon," he added.

    The fighting on Lebanon's borders has also affected the deployment of Lebanon's own armed forces (LAF) in the south of the country.

    Under UN Resolution 1701, passed in the aftermath of the 2006 war with Israel, the UNIFIL forces are to help the LAF become the sole armed group in the southern area bordering Israel, where Hezbollah Shia militias are active.

    Maj Gen Beary said the LAF is currently "stretched" and unable to deploy in the area in sufficient numbers: "The Lebanese Armed Forces are extremely stretched. They have significant security challenges along the northern border and the eastern border with Syria.

    "In fact, that extends to actually fighting in the Arsal region on the eastern border.

    That basically means that a lot of resources are basically drawn away from south Lebanon and our task in 1701 is to work closely with the LAF to extend their authority right up to the Blue Line and in effect, that has worked quite well, but unfortunately we don't have the numbers we would like because of the security challenges the country faces elsewhere."

    Maj Gen Beary also supported the UN position that views expressed recently by Lebanese President Michel Aoun are not in line to UN Security Council Resolution 1701.

    Speaking recently in Cairo, Mr Aoun said that he would be open for the Shia militant group Hezbollah playing a greater role in defending Lebanon.

    "Hezbollah weapons are not contradictory to the state, but are an essential part in defending our country,” Mr Aoun told an audience in a speech.

    The UN's special co-ordinator for Lebanon, Sigrid Kaag expressed concern about Mr Aoun’s remarks in a tweet.

    "Recalling SCR [Security Council Resolution] 1701 vital 4 Lebanon's stability-security. Resolution calls 4 disarmament all armed groups. No arms outside control of state", she tweeted.

    Asked about Mr Aoun's proposal for Hezbollah to play a greater role in Lebanon's defence, Maj Gen Beary said: "Certainly, it is in contravention of 1701. However, my task is to deal with the State institutions. I deal directly with the LAF and with the LAF intelligence and they are the institutions of the state, so I deal directly to them and to the Lebanese government, including to the Prime Minister."

    Maj Gen Beary is the first Irishman to command the force in over 30 years.

    He said that Irish peacekeepers work in a "very sensitive" part of the UN area and "make a very valuable contribution".

    He said the Lebanese government recognises the contribution to peace in south Lebanon made by Irish UN units, who have lost 47 soldiers in the area.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0219/853...eepers-unifil/

    Link to the interview on RTÉ's This Week programme.
    http://www.rte.ie/bosco/components/p...bnail=000b8a8c

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    The Air Corps recently carried out another resupply mission to Lebanon with a Casa.

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    Nice video of the equipment being shipped to Lebanon last year.


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    If I ever see Beirut again ever it will be too soon!!!

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    Thought this might be of interest :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp...Hezbollah.html

    The United States wants UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon to take on an expanded mission and investigate alleged violations by Hezbollah militias in the volatile area, Ambassador Nikki Haley said Monday.

    The UN Security Council is set to vote on renewing the UN interim force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) later this month, and Haley said she will seek "significant improvements" to its mandate.

    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres informed the council in a letter sent on Friday that he intended to look at ways in which UNIFIL could beef up its efforts "regarding the illegal presence of armed personnel, weapons or infrastructure inside its area of operations."
    also reported here:-
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-want...-on-hezbollah/

    Can't see Hezbollah sitting still for this tbh.

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    UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres informed the council in a letter sent on Friday that he intended to look at ways in which UNIFIL could beef up its efforts "regarding the illegal presence of armed personnel, weapons or infrastructure inside its area of operations."
    also reported here:-
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-want...-on-hezbollah/

    Mick Beary wakes up, reads headlines, "ah for fk sake"
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Mick Beary wakes up, reads headlines, "ah for fk sake"
    " ah for fk sake" …where's me tank ??

    Even RTE has noticed.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0808/895866-unifil/
    Last edited by terrier; 8th August 2017 at 10:25.

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    Shame the US didn't bother reading the current mandate (it's a key part of the LAF's job (supported by UNIFIL)).

    I wonder will they contribute more troops (50 military personnel deployed on UN ops, 0 with UNIFIL) ?

    Wonder how much they owe the UN ?

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    Did not the uge Orange mess recently praise the Lebanese pm for defeating hizb. Even tho hizb are partners in the current Lebanon government?
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Well, Israel will do what they always do and ignore the UN and Lebanon's opinions anyway and they will ignore the Yanks when it suits them, so Haley is talking shite. If the UN got into a shooting match with Hizbollah, whose troops are currently getting lots of combat experience in Syria, it would simply result in pointless UN deaths and not US or Israeli deaths. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    Well, Israel will do what they always do and ignore the UN and Lebanon's opinions anyway and they will ignore the Yanks when it suits them, so Haley is talking shite. If the UN got into a shooting match with Hizbollah, whose troops are currently getting lots of combat experience in Syria, it would simply result in pointless UN deaths and not US or Israeli deaths. No thanks.
    Another shooting match

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    If this was to happen it needs to work both ways, more power to UNIFIL to end the occupation of Lebanese territory by Israel as well as the multiple daily incursions.
    It is the occupation and incursions that gives Hezbollah the excuse to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    If this was to happen it needs to work both ways, more power to UNIFIL to end the occupation of Lebanese territory by Israel as well as the multiple daily incursions.
    It is the occupation and incursions that gives Hezbollah the excuse to exist.
    But would Hizbollah stop if Israel cease to occupy parts of Lebanon?

    What about the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza (I don't know if they are involved in the other Occupied Territories or not)?

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    Israel flapping now over the hairies new and improved combat experience..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    But would Hizbollah stop if Israel cease to occupy parts of Lebanon?

    What about the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza (I don't know if they are involved in the other Occupied Territories or not)?
    The original newspaper headline is a bit out of date by more than 10 years. To say the mission should be expanded is wrong as the mandate and mission was expanded with Resolution 1701 back in 2006. Since then the mandate has contained the following paragraph:

    Assist the Lebanese armed forces in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.

    This means that only UNIFIL and LAF should have military assets within the operational area of UNIFIL. Sadly this is not the case and the Lebanese has said that it does not intend to enforce this element of the Resolution 1701.

    The reason given by the Lebanese government for not disarming Hezbollah is that they are a “freedom fighter” organisation. This is based upon the assertion that the area known as Shab’a Farms is occupied by Israeli forces. To understand the issue it is necessary to go back to the 1920’s when what had been the Ottoman Empire was carved up. The countries we know today first came into being during this time, they had never before existed as nation states and the lines drawn on the maps in Europe were not always the best. Due to the usual high level of Gallic efficient that is to be expected from the French the maps did not always match the reality on the ground. Prior to the 1967 war there had been some discussion between Syria and the Lebanon over where the border actually was but nothing was agreed or changed before Israel occupied the Golan and thus also the area of Shab’a Farms.

    It is the 1967 border line that the UN has recognised and set down in the definition of the withdrawal line in order to comply with Resolution 425. And this is what the Israelis have complied with. There was some discussion in 2007 and a proposal made but neither Syria or Israel has responded and without a Tripartite Agreement the internationally border remains that of 1967. That Syria sometime says it believes the Farms are part of Lebanon should not been seen as them agreeing to give the land away, more it should be remembered that Syria considers all of Lebanon as part of the old Kingdom of Syria!

    The issue of Shab’a Farms is useful for both Hezbollah and the Lebanese government for different reason. For Hezbollah it gives them something to rally their supporters around, to claim that they are still needed to free Lebanon from the Israelis. For the Lebanese government this gives them a reason why they should not disarm Hezbollah, which is handy as if they did try to do that then the risk of another all-out civil war is high.

    But would Hezbollah disarm if Israel withdrew from the Shab’a Farms……NO. They provide a good rallying point but the goal of Hezbollah is the complete elimination of the State of Israel, the elimination of any Western influence or ideals and the setting up of an Islamic State similar to that of their paymasters Iran. It is Iran that calls the tunes by Hezbollah; it was Iran that ordered them into Syria to fight for their ally. The Iranians provide the financial and military support that makes Hezbollah the force it is today. And the reason is not hard to find as the elimination of Israel is stated policy. They know they could never attack directly Israel without risking a nuclear war so they use proxies such as Hezbollah.

    As for the fight within the Palestinian Territories they are not active this has to do with their support comes from Shia communities while most Palestinians are Sunni. Hamas is the main militant organisation and is mainly Sunni, it was initially funded by Saudi and Gulf nations but due to pressure from the US these funds dried up. But following the old adage “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” the Iranian jumped in to fill some of the gap, even if Hamas is Sunni. But we could be assured that is somehow Israeli was to vanish tomorrow this brotherly love would soon disappear and Hezbollah and Hamas would be fighting each other.

    The UNIFIL mandate is up for renewal at the end of this month and so the statements of the General Secretary and that of Ambassador Haley can be understood. This is especially when we consider that next year UNIFIL will celebrate its 40th birthday. 40 years and still no end of the mission in sight, this cannot be! It must be our goal to have a normalisation of the relationship between Lebanon and Israel. That the Lebanon can once again become the shining light in the region it was before the start of the Civil war. And here Hezbollah is a major blocking point if not the blocking point. Just as we have had the disarmament of the paramilitaries in our own local conflict so it must be in the Lebanon.

    But maybe even today there are too many elements with make such a move impossible. One is Iran and its regional power struggle with the Saudis. The Iranians would never allow their proxy arm in the Lebanon to be disbanded or disarmed. Then there are the contributor nations who do not recognise Israel and might not take any action to disarm Hezbollah. Even if they did are there enough and sufficient resources to do the disarming. But the main block is that of the objection of the Lebanese government, unless they support the moves nothing can happen.

    Could the extension of the mandate be vetoed? Maybe, it could be a possibility even if unlikely. And it is not as if there are no other areas in the world where a UN force could be deployed, the list is long: Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Mali, Chad, Afghanistan, Iraq, South Sudan, Sudan, Congo and not forgetting East Ukraine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The original newspaper headline is a bit out of date by more than 10 years. To say the mission should be expanded is wrong as the mandate and mission was expanded with Resolution 1701 back in 2006. Since then the mandate has contained the following paragraph:

    Assist the Lebanese armed forces in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.

    This means that only UNIFIL and LAF should have military assets within the operational area of UNIFIL. Sadly this is not the case and the Lebanese has said that it does not intend to enforce this element of the Resolution 1701.

    The reason given by the Lebanese government for not disarming Hezbollah is that they are a “freedom fighter” organisation. This is based upon the assertion that the area known as Shab’a Farms is occupied by Israeli forces. To understand the issue it is necessary to go back to the 1920’s when what had been the Ottoman Empire was carved up. The countries we know today first came into being during this time, they had never before existed as nation states and the lines drawn on the maps in Europe were not always the best. Due to the usual high level of Gallic efficient that is to be expected from the French the maps did not always match the reality on the ground. Prior to the 1967 war there had been some discussion between Syria and the Lebanon over where the border actually was but nothing was agreed or changed before Israel occupied the Golan and thus also the area of Shab’a Farms.

    It is the 1967 border line that the UN has recognised and set down in the definition of the withdrawal line in order to comply with Resolution 425. And this is what the Israelis have complied with. There was some discussion in 2007 and a proposal made but neither Syria or Israel has responded and without a Tripartite Agreement the internationally border remains that of 1967. That Syria sometime says it believes the Farms are part of Lebanon should not been seen as them agreeing to give the land away, more it should be remembered that Syria considers all of Lebanon as part of the old Kingdom of Syria!

    The issue of Shab’a Farms is useful for both Hezbollah and the Lebanese government for different reason. For Hezbollah it gives them something to rally their supporters around, to claim that they are still needed to free Lebanon from the Israelis. For the Lebanese government this gives them a reason why they should not disarm Hezbollah, which is handy as if they did try to do that then the risk of another all-out civil war is high.

    But would Hezbollah disarm if Israel withdrew from the Shab’a Farms……NO. They provide a good rallying point but the goal of Hezbollah is the complete elimination of the State of Israel, the elimination of any Western influence or ideals and the setting up of an Islamic State similar to that of their paymasters Iran. It is Iran that calls the tunes by Hezbollah; it was Iran that ordered them into Syria to fight for their ally. The Iranians provide the financial and military support that makes Hezbollah the force it is today. And the reason is not hard to find as the elimination of Israel is stated policy. They know they could never attack directly Israel without risking a nuclear war so they use proxies such as Hezbollah.

    As for the fight within the Palestinian Territories they are not active this has to do with their support comes from Shia communities while most Palestinians are Sunni. Hamas is the main militant organisation and is mainly Sunni, it was initially funded by Saudi and Gulf nations but due to pressure from the US these funds dried up. But following the old adage “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” the Iranian jumped in to fill some of the gap, even if Hamas is Sunni. But we could be assured that is somehow Israeli was to vanish tomorrow this brotherly love would soon disappear and Hezbollah and Hamas would be fighting each other.

    The UNIFIL mandate is up for renewal at the end of this month and so the statements of the General Secretary and that of Ambassador Haley can be understood. This is especially when we consider that next year UNIFIL will celebrate its 40th birthday. 40 years and still no end of the mission in sight, this cannot be! It must be our goal to have a normalisation of the relationship between Lebanon and Israel. That the Lebanon can once again become the shining light in the region it was before the start of the Civil war. And here Hezbollah is a major blocking point if not the blocking point. Just as we have had the disarmament of the paramilitaries in our own local conflict so it must be in the Lebanon.

    But maybe even today there are too many elements with make such a move impossible. One is Iran and its regional power struggle with the Saudis. The Iranians would never allow their proxy arm in the Lebanon to be disbanded or disarmed. Then there are the contributor nations who do not recognise Israel and might not take any action to disarm Hezbollah. Even if they did are there enough and sufficient resources to do the disarming. But the main block is that of the objection of the Lebanese government, unless they support the moves nothing can happen.

    Could the extension of the mandate be vetoed? Maybe, it could be a possibility even if unlikely.
    Add to that Hezbollah has been part of the Lebanonese Government for a few years now.

    UNTSO has been around since 1948




    And it is not as if there are no other areas in the world where a UN force could be deployed, the list is long: Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Mali, Chad, Afghanistan, Iraq, South Sudan, Sudan, Congo and not forgetting East Ukraine!
    Of those 12 countries, Somalia, Mali, Chad, Afghanistan, South Sudan and Congo all have UN (or UN mandated missions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Add to that Hezbollah has been part of the Lebanonese Government for a few years now.

    UNTSO has been around since 1948






    Of those 12 countries, Somalia, Mali, Chad, Afghanistan, South Sudan and Congo all have UN (or UN mandated missions)
    And all are pulling resources from the same pool. The UN is spread thin and the demand is going not shrinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    And all are pulling resources from the same pool. The UN is spread thin and the demand is going not shrinking.
    Some of them are EU or AU missions under a UN mandate

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Some of them are EU or AU missions under a UN mandate
    The point I was making is that since 1978 the demands on well trained and equipped forces to serve on peacekeeping has increases and will continue to increase. We have see that a number have now come to an end and this is likely to continue. The question is how much longer will UNIFIL stay if the Lebanese government is not willing to force Hezbollah to disarm like the other militias have. The US and Hezbollah itself see the political and military wing as being the same organisation it is only the EU that treats them as separate units.
    They are in the government with a veto due to the power sharing arrangement but what should also not be overlooked is they only represent 12 out of 128 MP's. So a minority movement is holding up meaningful dialogue that could return the Lebanon to a stable democratic functioning nation. But is that what we want? Because if the answer is No, then we are not alone because neither do Iran, the Saudis or any of the other surrounding Arabs states.

    Either in the next years there is disarmament or the mission has been completed due to the Israeli withdrawal behind the Blue Line in accordance with Res425 and UNFIL can come home.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ms-trafficking

    US ambassador Nikki Haley sharply criticised the UN peacekeeping commander in Lebanon on Friday, saying he is “blind” to the spread of illegal arms and reiterating a call for the force to do more about it. He says there is no evidence it is actually happening.

    With the peacekeeping mission up for renewal next week, the United States has been pressing to step up efforts to tackle what Haley describes as a “massive flow of illegal weapons” to Hezbollah-dominated southern Lebanon, where neighboring Israel has long complained the militant group operates with impunity.

    But the peacekeeping commander, Maj Gen Michael Beary, pushed back on US and Israeli criticism. The Irish general said his force has no evidence of weapons being illegally transferred and stockpiled in the area, and that “if there was a large cache of weapons, we would know about it”.


    But Haley said there is plenty of evidence including Hezbollah’s own boasts and Beary displayed “an embarrassing lack of understanding of what’s going on”.

    “He seems to be the only person in south Lebanon who is blind to what Hezbollah is doing,” she said, adding that his view of the situation “shows that we need to have changes” in the mission.

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    Update :

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-peacekeeping/

    The United Nations extended the mandate of its peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon Wednesday night, and gave its forces widened powers to address Hezbollah’s weapons buildup in the area.
    As a result of the changes, which were approved by the UN Security Council, UNIFIL will increase its oversight activities in southern Lebanon, including by entering villages where the Hezbollah terror group operates.
    The byline includes " agencies " for the story so we'll see if any other source picks up on this, and if so, will there be any further comment from the DF or the Irish Government.
    Could be there's little or no change and this story is for internal Israeli and American consumption.

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    Potential for conflict there big time.UNIFIL troops ,up to BN Comd's have been attacked,when entering,or trying to enter,Hezbollah controlled villages in the last couple of years.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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