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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    From some time next year, the Finnish will be withdrawing from the Irish-Finn Battalion and increasing their contingent in the Force Commander Reserve (FCR) with the French, where they already have a Company.

    It will be interesting to see if there will now be a full Irish Battalion overseas for the first time since 2012, if the Government/DoD will allow it.
    The mini-minister has made his first comment on the Finnish withdrawal from the Irish-Finn Battalion.

    Finland has announced earlier this year that its current national mandate for participation in the Irish-Finnish Battalion in UNIFIL will end on 31 December 2018 and will not be renewed. Finland will therefore withdraw from Irish/Battalion by the end of the year. Ireland is committed to continuing participation in the UNIFIL mission and is currently considering the options that are available. These include the option to backfill positions by deploying additional Irish personnel. Another option is to identify a partner country to replace the Finnish contingent and discussions are on-going in this regard.
    Hopefully its the first option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    The mini-minister has made his first comment on the Finnish withdrawal from the Irish-Finn Battalion.



    Hopefully its the first option
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    Where would we get the equipment that the Finns will pull out ? Although I heard that there's an option of leasing it from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrier View Post
    Where would we get the equipment that the Finns will pull out ? Although I heard that there's an option of leasing it from them.
    There should be enough Mowags for the outpost even with the refurb program.
    Armoured Scanias due to be delivered this year will fill that gap.
    Not much else the Finns have that cant be replaced.

    The leasing option is interesting. Might embarrass the Government enough to put in an order for more Mowags but unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    There should be enough Mowags for the outpost even with the refurb program.
    Armoured Scanias due to be delivered this year will fill that gap.
    Not much else the Finns have that cant be replaced.

    The leasing option is interesting. Might embarrass the Government enough to put in an order for more Mowags but unlikely.
    We use their comms equipment. ( and the saunas )

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    Don't forget we wont just be taking over the camp but the post the Finns manned also .

    Don't worry.There is no way they will leave the saunas behind.Or the PX.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrier View Post
    We use their comms equipment. ( and the saunas )
    And they used ours before that. The lead unit provides comms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    From some time next year, the Finnish will be withdrawing from the Irish-Finn Battalion and increasing their contingent in the Force Commander Reserve (FCR) with the French, where they already have a Company.

    It will be interesting to see if there will now be a full Irish Battalion overseas for the first time since 2012, if the Government/DoD will allow it.
    The mini-minister has made his first comment on the Finnish withdrawal from the Irish-Finn Battalion.

    Finland has announced earlier this year that its current national mandate for participation in the Irish-Finnish Battalion in UNIFIL will end on 31 December 2018 and will not be renewed. Finland will therefore withdraw from Irish/Battalion by the end of the year. Ireland is committed to continuing participation in the UNIFIL mission and is currently considering the options that are available. These include the option to backfill positions by deploying additional Irish personnel. Another option is to identify a partner country to replace the Finnish contingent and discussions are on-going in this regard.
    Hopefully its the first option.
    It's looking likely there will be an Irish-Czech Battalion before the end of the year.

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    From what I have heard the Czechs need a longer lead in time to be in a position to provide a Coy+.

    The latest seems to be a full Irish BN of approx 440. Truth be told there is many duplicate appointments in the cells which aren't required reducing the need for officers and SNCOs.

    Many rumours including a 3 Chalk 113 BN where the first chalk take over 6-50 prior to the Finn Contingent withdrawing mid November. A full Irish BN could be required for 113 and 114.

    The leasing of comms equipment etc including SISUs is on the table.

    Is there enough specialist personnel to cover a Coy+ in UNDOF and a BN in UNIFIL for 12 months in addition to all of the smaller missions. It will be difficult particularly if those who are only back a short time are targeted again.

    It should be a lot clearer by August/September.
    Last edited by Chuck; 8th June 2018 at 06:06.

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    R&C for 113th Bn is for a 440 person full IRISHBATT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    R&C for 113th Bn is for a 440 person full IRISHBATT.
    The "extra company" has been hashed together. They have added an Inf Pl to B Coy, Recce Coy and somehow one to BSG as well
    They have avoided the requirement for an additional Comdt, Capt, CS and CQ plus admin / logs staff but it is very much a fudge.

    Fortunately it will only be for 2 x rotations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    The "extra company" has been hashed together. They have added an Inf Pl to B Coy, Recce Coy and somehow one to BSG as well
    They have avoided the requirement for an additional Comdt, Capt, CS and CQ plus admin / logs staff but it is very much a fudge.

    Fortunately it will only be for 2 x rotations
    I am aware of that. I can read.

    A fudge it may be but it was obviously deemed necessary by someone. In any case, it's good news for privates and JNCOs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    I am aware of that. I can read.
    Wind your neck in. You have the R&C, I have R&C, the vast majority of those on here have not got the R&C.

    For those that have not got a copy of the R&C, a lot of the BSG elements have not had a significant increase in technicians which is good for the sustainability due to the constraints with the numbers of techies available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Wind your neck in. You have the R&C, I have R&C, the vast majority of those on here have not got the R&C.

    For those that have not got a copy of the R&C, a lot of the BSG elements have not had a significant increase in technicians which is good for the sustainability due to the constraints with the numbers of techies available
    It is sufficiently wound in, thanks. If you quote me directly it's fair to assume you are addressing me or the content I posted.

    Your second paragraph above would have sufficed.

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    MOD: Keep it civil gentlemen.
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    Have foreign officers have ever deployed as part of an Irish contingent or Bn before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Have foreign officers have ever deployed as part of an Irish contingent or Bn before?
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    Swedish, Finnish (and I think) Estonian have been part of Irish led Bn’s in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
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    Swedish, Finnish (and I think) Estonian have been part of Irish led Bn’s in the past
    Finnish and Estonian only. In the Leb. Swedes in Liberia

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    ?

    Swedish, Finnish (and I think) Estonian have been part of Irish led Bn’s in the past
    Let me rephrase.

    Have foreign troops ever deployed with an Irish overseas mission?

    The R&C includes an officer and NCO from a foreign military which are included in the Irish strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Let me rephrase.

    Have foreign troops ever deployed with an Irish overseas mission?

    The R&C includes an officer and NCO from a foreign military which are included in the Irish strength.
    Very few Irish missions due to the triple lock. Only really Op Pontus and IHSG.

    Being from other countries they

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Let me rephrase.

    Have foreign troops ever deployed with an Irish overseas mission?

    The R&C includes an officer and NCO from a foreign military which are included in the Irish strength.
    In reality it is no different to what is happening in UNIFIL now, except the R&C shows the appts instead of omitting them

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    100 extra troops now headed to keep peace in Lebanon

    More than 100 extra Irish troops are being deployed with Unifil, the United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon, to fill a gap left by the withdrawal of Finnish and Estonian soldiers from the mission.

    This will bring the overall number of members of the Defence Forces based in Lebanon to 467, which is the biggest deployment there since 2011.

    It will increase the size of the Irish contribution to peace operations overseas to around 700 personnel and, as most of them are drawn from the Army, will represent about 10pc of the strength of that part of the military organisation.

    Writing in the Irish Independent today, Minister with responsibility for Defence Paul Kehoe confirmed the Government plans to provide more peacekeepers to help the Lebanese authorities.

    The minister is expected to bring a memorandum before the Cabinet shortly to outline his proposals to deploy an additional 107 Defence Forces personnel, primarily privates and non-commissioned officers (NCO) with a small number of officers.

    Ireland's contribution to the mission currently stands at some 380 personnel, who are part of a joint Irish/Finnish battalion in the area around At Tiri, with two military posts on the 'Blue Line', which separates Lebanon and Israel. The Estonian contingent is also involved there. The Finnish government says its troops are being withdrawn because of other national commitments and will leave in November. The Estonians will pull out at the same time.

    After examining several options, Department of Defence officials are in discussion with the Czech authorities to replace the Finns and Estonians.

    In the meantime, the Irish offered to fill the gap for a year from November and send out an extra two companies with the next contingent when the existing battalion hands over after a six-month deployment.

    The decision is seen as a major boost to the prospects of privates and NCOs gaining overseas experience.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37025719.html

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    2 extra companies? Not sure where the MOS got that from! There are extra platoons, there are NO extra companies

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    platoon ? Company ? - someone in DOD has given the journo the wrong info.... Tom Brady is the security correspondent at the indo...
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-brady-b5a581a9/
    Would imagine he would know the diff between a company and a platoon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    In reality it is no different to what is happening in UNIFIL now, except the R&C shows the appts instead of omitting them
    In reality it is because it is likely the two personnel will participate in the entire form up in Ireland. Which, has not been done before to my knowledge.

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