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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Not just the RAF the army reserve calls the AA in the event of a vehicle breakdown ...
    If you're broken down on the side of the M6 Southbound...during rush hour...who should you call?

    The 'A' Team????
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    If you're broken down on the side of the M6 Southbound...during rush hour...who should you call?

    The 'A' Team????
    Glad you think its funny .... you are joking of course ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Glad you think its funny .... you are joking of course ???
    I was being tongue in cheek Mate...

    I drive 'White Fleet' vehicles regularly...if they break down a civilian company...possibly the AA (I'm not sure to be honest) will come and recover you.

    'Green Fleet' vehicles...if they are moving in convoys...will do so in packets...usually by Company / Squadron.

    The last packet will always have a recovery vehicle (wrecker)...crewed by a couple of recovery mechanics...

    https://apply.army.mod.uk/roles/roya...overy-mechanic

    Their job is to recover broken-down / damaged vehicles and get them to a place where they can be repaired.

    Great soldiers with a real 'can-do' attitude.

    That model works in both the Regular Army and Army Reserve.

    If a Green Fleet vehicle is not moving as part of a convoy...maybe singularly or in a pair...then they won't have a wrecker with them.

    So if a vehicle from Inverness breaks down on the M6 Southbound somewhere around Coventry...then it makes sense that a contractor will come out and recover them...though I've never personally seen this myself.

    Also, a lot of the day to day heavy lifting of armour is done by contractors; if it wasn't you'd have soldiers continually tied up in traffic jams on the UKs wonderful motorway network.

    They'd never get any military training done.

    Using contractors isn't always a bad thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    I was being tongue in cheek Mate...

    I drive 'White Fleet' vehicles regularly...if they break down a civilian company...possibly the AA (I'm not sure to be honest) will come and recover you.

    'Green Fleet' vehicles...if they are moving in convoys...will do so in packets...usually by Company / Squadron.

    The last packet will always have a recovery vehicle (wrecker)...crewed by a couple of recovery mechanics...

    https://apply.army.mod.uk/roles/roya...overy-mechanic

    Their job is to recover broken-down / damaged vehicles and get them to a place where they can be repaired.

    Great soldiers with a real 'can-do' attitude.

    That model works in both the Regular Army and Army Reserve.

    If a Green Fleet vehicle is not moving as part of a convoy...maybe singularly or in a pair...then they won't have a wrecker with them.

    So if a vehicle from Inverness breaks down on the M6 Southbound somewhere around Coventry...then it makes sense that a contractor will come out and recover them...though I've never personally seen this myself.

    Also, a lot of the day to day heavy lifting of armour is done by contractors; if it wasn't you'd have soldiers continually tied up in traffic jams on the UKs wonderful motorway network.

    They'd never get any military training done.

    Using contractors isn't always a bad thing!
    The DF also now have a white (or be it green/black) now. Afaik it is DF owned and DF driven

    The thing is that soldier who was replaced was as a soldier multitasked.

    As I understand it there is still a military HET capability via sponsored reserves (they are civvies for the day to day driving to the training area but can be mobilised for deployment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    The DF also now have a white (or be it green/black) now. Afaik it is DF owned and DF driven

    The thing is that soldier who was replaced was as a soldier multitasked.

    As I understand it there is still a military HET capability via sponsored reserves (they are civvies for the day to day driving to the training area but can be mobilised for deployment)
    There is indeed Dev...its a mixture of military personnel / civvies (mainly ex-military) who are sponsored reserves.

    So in war time they get mobilised.

    I'm not a 'spotter' but apparently the way to distinguish is that if a HET is double-manned the crew are soldiers...single-manned one of those SR dudes.

    They drive these (and armoured variants of) https://www.army-technology.com/projects/oshkosh/

    The only person I've ever spoken to about it was a doorman at a nightclub in Salisbury...he was in the HET Sqn at Bulford...said the civvy SR thing had ruined a great trade...and was getting out...to be a full-time doorman.
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    Air Corps helicopter still tackling Wicklow wildfires

    https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/201...3274-wildfire/

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    Early start for them this year, at least it hasn't been as bad as the one in England.

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    Air Corps deployed to Donegal to fight gorse fire.



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    DF getting a lot of stick for the delay in deploying the helicopters/troops on ground - request was made at 9am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    DF getting a lot of stick for the delay in deploying the helicopters/troops on ground - request was made at 9am.
    Is it the AC/Army, DOD, or Minister that should be getting the stick or a combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    DF getting a lot of stick for the delay in deploying the helicopters/troops on ground - request was made at 9am.
    Because of course, on an Easter Monday, the entire DF would have been sitting around their barracks at 07.00 in case anybody needed them to fight fires in Donegal...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Maybe Saoradh should have sent their elite foot stomping military surplus wearing troops to help out .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Because of course, on an Easter Monday, the entire DF would have been sitting around their barracks at 07.00 in case anybody needed them to fight fires in Donegal...
    And because the chain of comms goes from local TD to Minister

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    From RTE.

    ....Asked about the response time from the Air Corps to the fire, spokesman Captain Kevin Fitzgerald said the Air Corps does not have the resources for a dedicated firefighting service.

    He said the Air Corps is not the primary firefighting agency for the State, so when it was given the tasking it had to mobilise a crew first.



    Capt Fitzgerald said there is a crew in Baldonnell for the Garda Air Support Unit and in Athlone for the medical service.

    Local TD Pat the Cope Gallagher issued a statement last night questioning why it took, what he said was seven hours, for the Air Corps to mobilise a helicopter to assist in the firefighting effort.

    Capt Fitzgerald said the crew tasking was approved at around 1pm yesterday, but the morning was spent assembling a crew.

    He said such a tasking cannot be launched straight away as a crew has to be assembled and briefed on the situation.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/...al-gorse-fire/

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    Department only approved the request around 1pm

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    If Pat wasnt so busy being a shouty man, he could have asked the British Army or PSNI to detail a helicopter to do a bit of crossborder cooperation and deploy a bambi bucket, whilst waiting for the AC to get sorted, or he could have picked up the phone book, looked under "H" for helicopter and rung around, asking if anyone had a turbine helicopter lying idle, with a bambi bucket going spare, for a bit of firefighting. Back in the day, Irish Helis used to do it, with a Huey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    If Pat wasnt so busy being a shouty man, he could have asked the British Army or PSNI to detail a helicopter to do a bit of crossborder cooperation and deploy a bambi bucket, whilst waiting for the AC to get sorted, or he could have picked up the phone book, looked under "H" for helicopter and rung around, asking if anyone had a turbine helicopter lying idle, with a bambi bucket going spare, for a bit of firefighting. Back in the day, Irish Helis used to do it, with a Huey...
    I understamd a civvy heli was in action before the air corps aircraft became available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    I understamd a civvy heli was in action before the air corps aircraft became available.
    Coillte have a contracted helicopter for fire fighting.
    Last edited by Rhodes; 26th April 2019 at 23:00.

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