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  • i was going to say zombie. Seriously though was he dead or alive ?


    Anyway. This looks like a nice bit of kit, rip-off medical pouch

    RVOps supplies high quality, specialist military equipment, clothing, Lowa boots and accessories serving the British Army and Royal Marines.






    anyone tried it ? we could dye it into OG easy enough. or we could just ring the maker and get them to send out a few OG on spec.
    Last edited by trellheim; 3 June 2011, 17:31.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • If you could keep the airway open (possible with tracheostomy being the probable option) and control bleeding, that is eminently survivable in the short-medium term. IV and/or peg feeding (direct tube into stomach) will sort out nutrition. It would be a good job for a Maxillo-facial surgeon to reconstruct, though. He'd be looking at a frequent-user card for his local operating theatre.

      It's an old problem, I remember reading about it in old copies of medical journals from the First World War, where a lot of the pioneering surgery was done



      Last edited by Flamingo; 3 June 2011, 21:01.
      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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      • no right or wrong, just "what works". "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid"
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • Hey IPOD
          That wound was self inflicted using a shotgun. The photo is from a medical journal published in the US. The man is maintaining his own airway, breathing, is conscious, does not have any obvious cathestropic bleeding and is conscious...as you see him. Basic first aid is working for that guy. It’s a horrific wound and it sucks to be him but fancy airways and interventions didn’t get him to the ED alive....basic shit did. Your current DF training would enable you to deal with this wound as long as you, kept your cool, think ABC or CABC, stick to what you can do at the time and not what you would like to be able to do and can’t. And that stuff about “hand on me heart and kissing him good bye”.....doesn’t sound good, I imagine the Marine in your photo might be would be wondering WTF. But I imagine that’s just a phrase like "blood makes the grass grow" and not supposed to be taken too seriously. Knucklehead refers to someone who is hardheaded or stubborn by the way. If you forget the basics you’re patient is screwed. 9 line brief has been thought on LPC courses since 2007... its up to you guys to use it. Bye the the way, thanks for the respect ...word

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          • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
            no right or wrong, just "what works". "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid"
            Isn't it true ? Think of the amount of things which have come into everyday
            military service as a result of the "it works, so let's use it" mentality

            Bergens/Backpack/whatever the fcuk you want to call them came into general usage
            in the British Army as a result of some Marines deciding they needed something better
            than the '58 pattern handbag
            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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            • Great kit S&S.Good drills.
              One snag though.Unless everybody in the section/platoon has the exact same,carried in the exact same place,it's kinda redundant.As nobody will thinkl to look for it in the event of a serious problem.
              What we as an Army should have is something similar to the new Osprey kit medical pouch or even the US version.This should contain a standardised IFAK/trauma kit.MOLLE based so its compatible with our vests.
              Expensive?Probably.But how much value do you place on a life?In the pic below you can see the Osprey IFAK pouch i refer to.
              Attached Files
              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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              • I've posted links to RVOPS and the spec-ops ones above I like the spec ops one cos its got a red stripe. Also the newish US army IFAK can be bought for it.
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • As fiannoglach said we are going to see some big changes in the training and equipment of DF personal in the medical field. thanks to the yanks

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                  • Originally posted by SwiftandSure
                    Yeah, I just wasn't sure if the same mentality for magazine pouches was adopted for IFAK pouches, insomuch that they're only packed according to their purpose to avoid clutter and confusion if someone else needed to access your kit.
                    Top bit of thinking with your kit mate.

                    Only problem is, as Apod pointed out, it's kinda redundant if nobody else does it. What needs to be done across units in the DF is just what the Yanks, Brits, etc. do. IFAK pouch in a standardised poistion on the battlevest, with same equipment inside it so each member of a section, platoon etc. knows exactly where to go if they need to get to it.

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                    • Some (rather amusing) bickering split off into a separate thread.

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                      • Just spotted this on a US site


                        The IFAK (Improved First Aid Kit) will be issued to every Soldier via the Soldier as a System (SaaS) Rapid Fielding Initiative (RFI). Weighing only one pound, the IFAK consists of six expendable medical items packaged inside of a modified MOLLE 100-round SAW ammo pouch.

                        The IFAK increases individual Soldier capabilities to provide Self-Aid/Buddy-Aid and provides interventions for two leading causes of death on the battlefield, severe hemorrhage and inadequate airway. These capabilities increase Soldier survivability during dispersed operations and the expandable pouch allows for METT-C specific "add-ins". The IFAK is included as a component of the RFI fielding schedule and will address all deployed and deploying units.

                        Includes:

                        1 - SOFTM Tactical Tourniquet (NSN: 6515-01-530-7015)
                        1 - Elastic Bandage Kit (NSN: 6510-01-492-2275)
                        1 - GA4-½" 100's Bandage (NSN: 6510-01-503-2117)
                        1 - 1 Surg 2" 6's Adhesive Tape (NSN: 6510-00-926-8883)
                        1 - Nasopharyngeal, 28Fr, 12s Airway (NSN: 6515-01-180-0467)
                        1 - 4 Patient Exam 100's Gloves (NSN: 6515-01-519-9161)
                        Made in the USA

                        COLOR: ACUPAT
                        WEIGHT: 0.94 lbs.
                        Off the same site, talking of tourniquets, here is the ultimate (how paranoid would one have to be?) it is a pair of trousers with the tourniquets already sewn in!


                        BLACKHAWK!® I.T.S.™ (Integrated Tourniquet System) Pants

                        Last edited by Flamingo; 5 June 2011, 00:01.
                        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                        • Originally posted by holdfast View Post
                          As fiannoglach said we are going to see some big changes in the training and equipment of DF personal in the medical field. thanks to the yanks
                          what are the Americans bringing to the party that other nations haven't?

                          not bitching - but genuinely wondering what kit and instruction they have pioneered that is being introduced by the Irish DF?
                          RGJ

                          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                          The Rifles

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                          • Flamingo - I posted the US IFAK Above already ?
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                              Just spotted this on a US site




                              Off the same site, talking of tourniquets, here is the ultimate (how paranoid would one have to be?) it is a pair of trousers with the tourniquets already sewn in!


                              BLACKHAWK!® I.T.S.™ (Integrated Tourniquet System) Pants

                              Great if your hit in the arm!

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                              • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                                Flamingo - I posted the US IFAK Above already ?
                                Sorry, short term memory failure (I thought it sounded familiar!)

                                You missed the trousers with the built-in tourniquets, though
                                'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                                'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                                Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                                He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                                http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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