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  • #16
    I imagine a deck,but not a hangar...The phrase "a larger ship would mean more work,and less unemployment" was also uttered.
    Could the experience of the NS in Liberia ,combined with the use of the Dutch Amphib "Rotterdam" have woken up the powers that be to a possible contingency plan for future missions,rather than hoping there will be someone other than us to do the job.
    If you consider the Dutch are doing medevac with Navy Lynx....


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    • #17
      WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THE HELICOPTER CONCEPT AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUITABLE HELOS TO OPERATE.lETS DO THE THING RIGHT THIS TIME


      The concept should be build the ship to suit the Helo and thus increasing flexibility rather than trying to buy a helo to suit the ship. I would be sceptical of the 8 ship navy theory as it has been confirmed by interested parties that 12 would be an absolute minimum in the future.
      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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      • #18
        Guys its nice to dream , and I'm afraid thats what you are doing. We are never goting to join Nato, we are never, unfortunatly, going to aquire the above "wish list". As has been stated quite reguraly on this board, our government will never, in the current political climate, commit such hugh sums (in Irish terms) to acquire these ships. It would be great if they did, we would all like to see it happen, but it wont. It would be political suacide for the government to include these ships cost into a budget. Imagine the upror, hosiptal beds, the homeless roads and rail networks, etc etc are where people want the money spent.

        If it means the RAF or USAF protecting our skys during EU/US sumits, and as I can see in the future, European warships patroling our waters (because we wont commit fully to an EU military machie) as they (the EU) will want a secure area in their costal duristiction which Ireland cannot secure and which our government will not pay out to secure. They would rather give the cost of the problem to somebody else, as will happen during the fourth coming EU summit over OUR skys!

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        • #19
          Goldie, Aidan
          I assume that they have something in mind like the multi-role vessel that New Zealand is getting as part of poroject protector.

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          • #20
            Speaking of new vessels, I saw a report (dated Nov. ?, 2003) that says Appledore has gone into receivership, as it has not attracted any new orders since building the L.E. Niamh, any ideas who the NS will get to build more of the class if/when they require them (or will it be so far in the future that there may not be any European shipyards left)?

            IAS

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            • #21
              Appledore was one of the partners in the construction of the New class of RN ships. They also built sections of the Strategic Sealift Service ships.

              They built the Research ship, HMS Scott,and were due to be involved in the construction of the RNs Type 45 destroyers Class ships
              However there are no shortage of Yards in the UK and Europe capable of building suitable ships if required,and in the current market prices would be competitive. VT(Vosper Thornycroft) would be lead in the running I am sure with their current River Class fishery protection design.

              Redundancy for ship workers


              Roy Harkness said redundancy letters have been sent to all staff
              A union official at Britain's oldest firm of commercial shipbuilders said on Tuesday night that all 550 workers at the yard have been made redundant.
              Roy Harkness, union convener at Appledore Shipbuilders, said receivers will go into the 148-year-old complex in north Devon on Wednesday morning to wind up the business.

              The receivers, Tenon Recovery, spent the day in meetings with union representatives and the workforce.

              Workers started demonstrating outside the yard on Sunday following a meeting with chairman John Langham on Friday, and many are expected to be there on Wednesday. We had to tell every man and woman at the yard they have been made redundant from this afternoon

              Roy Harkness, union convenor

              The chairman has said there was no option but to call in the receivers.

              The yard completed its last ship nearly a month ago.

              The company, which had no work in hand, said it lost £1.3m last year and lost a further £1.9m in the first half of this year.

              But Mr Harkness said on Tuesday night he believed there was "a silver lining".

              "We are hoping that from the ashes should be resurrected a good, profitable business," he said.

              "We had to tell every man and woman at the yard they have been made redundant from this afternoon.

              "The yard has closed down. No prospective buyer is going to take on a company so heavily in debt," he said.

              "The redundancy notices have been sent by first class post and will be dropping through their letterboxes."

              'Every assistance'

              He said the receivers would have every assistance from the workforce when they entered the yard on Wednesday morning.

              "Hopefully, working with the unions and a future owner, we shall have good prospects," he said.

              He said members of the Appledore workforce would meet national union officials attending the Labour Party conference in Bournemouth.

              Appledore Shipbuilders was founded in 1855 and the firm had one of the biggest enclosed ship-building factories in Britain in the 1960s, building hundreds of vessels.

              The yard, based on the River Torridge, has built more than 350 ships, including naval fishery protection vessels, trawlers, passenger-vehicle ferries, dredgers and bulk carriers.


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              • #22
                The Tug above is stationed in the Minch,off the Coast of Scotland,and comes under the remit of HM Coastguard.
                The Maritime and Safety Agency has. at present, four Emergency Towing Vessels on charter around the coast of the United Kingdom. This is in accordance with Lord Donaldson's report (safer ships, cleaner seas), which recommended that emergency towing cover should be provided in those areas adjudged to be at a higher risk of environmental damage, which may result after a possible grounding of a broken down vessel. These tugs are based in the Dover Strait, the South Western Approaches to the Channel, the Fair Isle Channel between the Orkney Islands and the Shetland Islands, and of course, in the Minches .

                1. Following the announcement from the then Minister of Shipping in Parliament on the 10th February 1998 that the Government was satisfied that the trials carried out since 1994 by the previous Coastguard Agency had demonstrated the capabilities of emergency tugs in preventing or lessening such risks. Negotiations with tug owners then took place.

                2. The establishment of Emergency Towing Vessels (ETVs) was on to Lord Donaldson’s recommendations in his report ‘Safer Ships, Cleaner Seas’ which the Government commissioned during the grounding of the ‘Braer’ Shetland in 1993.

                3. A further study undertaken by Captain Belton RN made further recommendations concerning the most appropriate locations for the vessels. Ministers decided that the then Coastguard Agency should undertake trials of vessels initially in the Dover Strait and the Minches. Latterly, a third vessel was stationed to provided cover for the Western Approaches. The trials were completed at the end of March 1998, although t Report of trials and an associated cost benefit analysis produced by the Agency aided the Government’s decision to ensure emergency cover will still be provided on a longer term basis.

                4. Contracts were awarded in March 1998 to Klyne Tugs (Lowestoft) Ltd for the Anchor handler / salvage tug ‘Anglian Prince’ to be based at Stornoway for the winters 1998 / 99, 1999 / 00 and 2000 / 01, providing cover for North West Scotland.
                HM Coastguard Link
                The primary role of the Coastguard Tug is emergency towing to prevent pollution damage occurring on the Coastline. Even so, the vessel has a number of "Secondary Duties" as follows



                a. Search and Rescue

                b. Counter Pollution

                c. Guardship Duties

                d. Surveillance and Traffic Separation Scheme Identification

                e. Assistance to other Government departments


                Bad and all as british politicians have been in the past,at least when something hits them in the face,they react. How long ago was it since the Bulker Yarrawonga was threatened with a shot from Eithne to prevent her spilling her cargo on the West coast?


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                • #23
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                  • #24
                    The estimates were based on 1997 prices,when prices for replacement would be smaller than todays prices. Each P50 type cost £22m,in this estimate and the intention is to replace all the P20 and P40 class with this type,and replace Eithne with a type then costing £30m,which would not fall due for replacement until 2013. The balance would be for Vessel refits as they fall due in the years between the report and replacment.
                    The report was a suggestion on how the replacment could be carried out effectively,nothing was written in stone,and while much of the report has been implemented,much more(Medium Lift Helis) has been abandoned.
                    The next vessel due for replacment is LE Emer in 2006-2008.
                    I have the file on PDF if anyone wants it..I cannot remember where I downloaded it from...
                    It also recommended that great savings could be made from ending the SAR Contract on the West and east coast...and the Government has stuck to that end of the bargain religiously,even doing so on the suggested date.


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                    • #25
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by lordinajamjar
                        I was browsing the web looking for possible future candidate ships that could be added to the Irish Navy and I came across the SAAR 5 Missile boat produced for the Israeli Navy. See link: http://www.idf.il/english/organization/navy/saar5.stm

                        The suggested crew size of 62 including air crew seems to fall in line with current Irish fleet manning levels. It would be a fine replacement for the Eithne and if three could be procured Ireland would definitely have, though be it small, a modern navy with firepower.

                        In my dreams I see a 12 ship fleet consisting of 3 SAAR 5 Missile boats, 6 Roisin Class Patrol vessels, 3 Swedish Landsort Class coastal minesweepers.
                        And where would this extremly expensive vessel fit into the above requirements?
                        Have you read any of the thread so far? Did you just see wish list and make up your own ideas?


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                        • #27
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                          • #28
                            How much does the SAAR5 cost?


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                            • #29
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                              • #30
                                Be happy you still have a head.....

                                In all seriousness though,In recent times our Naval service has assumed more of a US Coastguard style operation,than a Pure naval one,as the "proper Navy" would be extremly expensive to maintain,and impossible to justify to our apathetic taxpayer.
                                Therefore I would say that such coastguard roles such as Towing,Pollution Control and Buoyage maintenance would in time come under the responsibility of the Naval service,rather than the other way around. In fact prior to Price Waterhouse and the White paper it was widely assumed that all Naval vessels would be removed from DoD control and placed under the Dept of Marine,as a purely Coastguard force.
                                Rumours of the stocks of grey paint being replaced with Red and white done the rounds in Haulbowline for some time..and still do. Indeed,prior to her departure from Cork,post decomissioning,Deirdre bore a pale white coloured Hull,as she was being re-painted for her new owners...
                                The Meko200 type ship would have been considered due to the modular nature of the weapon fit. A type serving in Irish colours would not be equipped with the same armament as those in Australian or NZ service,but it would give the ability to provide a sea control capability if required,however minimal.


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