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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Anyone following the furore over the report out last week by the DoJ wherin the GS seek to have basically all legit short firearms prohibited along with S/A shotguns/pumps that are capable of holding more than three rounds and all S/A C/F rifles.The reasons put foward to justify the bans appear to be very selective/self serving,dubious and distorted.
    No didn't see this - can you post a link ? The DOJ/GS won't rest until all privately owned firearms are made illegal. I applied for my license renewal last May and am still waiting for the local Super to decide. Can anyone tell me the last time a .22 sporting rifle was used in a murder ? Illegal Glocks on the other hand seem to be 2 a penny in Dublin's ganglands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaqra View Post
    No didn't see this - can you post a link ? The DOJ/GS won't rest until all privately owned firearms are made illegal. I applied for my license renewal last May and am still waiting for the local Super to decide. Can anyone tell me the last time a .22 sporting rifle was used in a murder ? Illegal Glocks on the other hand seem to be 2 a penny in Dublin's ganglands.
    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/2014.W....WG.Report.pdf

    Read it and weep

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    sign here
    online petition
    lot of people up in arms (pun intended) over this shite.
    http://www.sportscoalition.org/petition/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffman View Post
    typical sailors to have no interest in gash

    gash bag.jpg WTF Was in that gash bag??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggie View Post
    They'll try it anywhere, but the Irish government and average man on the street thinks that anyone who wants a firearm is dodgy by definition.
    Fairly strict over here. Including self-defence justifications which would never fly in Ireland, you can effectively own four weapons. One for self-defence, and one each rifle, pistol and shotgun for sport or hunting purposes. There is often a long waiting process for the competency certificate (knowledge of law and training in use) and licence, which slows things down and the decision is made in a central registry, the firearms officer in your local station just accepts the application, interviews your references and checks your safe.
    For better or worse there is a dedicated sports/hunter certification which allows you to more or less get anything you want.
    Of course, it got abused by guys who used it to stock up on large caches of semi-auto ARs, shotguns and AKs just because they could.
    Of course, that has now come to the attention of the powers that be and as a result it will probably be closed down for everyone. A football star being killed by robbers with (illegal) firearms will probably speed up the process. If I'm criminally minded I could still pop down to Alexandra and buy a fully automatic weapon, possibly from a corrupt cop.
    Lesson? Government will always clamp down on legal ownership because they can't do anything about illegal firearms and have to be seen to do something, but shooters can be their own worst enemies.
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    Does being in the DF go for/against/have no effect on being a gun owner?
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    Given that a Chief refused a serving Garda a pistol licence, I don't think being in the DF would make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy View Post
    Given that a Chief refused a serving Garda a pistol licence, I don't think being in the DF would make a difference.
    It makes a small difference when you first apply .you may not need to do a competency course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    It makes a small difference when you first apply .you may not need to do a competency course.
    Not the case. Everyone needs to do a competency course. More so for those with military training. Remember you have the "Firearm" to shoot "Targets". Its no longer a "Weapon" to shoot "people".

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    Who runs these courses?
    Why would soldiers need it more than civvies?? Surely this is the other way around??
    How does what your shooting at make a difference to shooters mentality
    Guns don't kill people.
    People kill people!!

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    Big diff is that you have custody and responsibility for the rifle 24/7 365.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Big diff is that you have custody and responsibility for the rifle 24/7 365.
    Those of us old enough had custody and responsibility for our DF rifle 24/7 365
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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Big diff is that you have custody and responsibility for the rifle 24/7 365.
    our troops have their weapons out in public places doing a job that can be stressful
    Overseas we have them 24/7 just I case a bad guy shows up.
    On other occasions we guard military installations prisons
    Are you saying a hobby shooter is on par?

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    Vickers maybe referring to the fact that pre 1970 members of certain units of the FCA were allowed to store their Lee Enfield rifles at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Big diff is that you have custody and responsibility for the rifle 24/7 365.
    Give over.

    In no world should a soldier somehow require more training than a civvie when it comes to owning a firearm. Absolute nonsense.

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    The real problem, from what I have seen is when it comes to safety, the military person will presume everyone else has the same attitude to firearm safety as they have. Sadly this is not always the case. I met a deerhunter once who wanted me to leave the woods where I was walking my dog as he had nearly shot someone else there previously... while shooting deer, who were uphill from him, but downhill from the crest of the same hill, which was a public forestry track.

    Oh and it was still daytime.

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    I don't think its fair to paint all civvy shooters or military shooters with the same brush. I've seen unsafe practices from both camps.

    Only difference is that the military shooter usually has someone nearby to knock the sh*t out of them when they commit a safety offence. The civvy usually only learns once the harm has been done.

    You can train someone on firearm safety all you like. Won't stop them being a fcukhead if it comes naturally to them.

    From my experience overconfidence is behind 90% of safety mishaps. As the old saying goes, the unloaded gun shoots loudest.
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    Been on both military & civvy ranges. Apart from the basics there are some significant differences in the ways things are done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Not the case. Everyone needs to do a competency course. More so for those with military training. Remember you have the "Firearm" to shoot "Targets". Its no longer a "Weapon" to shoot "people".
    You may not need to do a competency course . I handed a letter from my C.O . in with my first application .That was deemed sufficient to prove competency. But each application is different and some supers may prefer to have a signed course done.No competency course is officially recognised by the gardai as far as i know.

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    Any decent civvie range will insist that you prove that you have a range safety course done, ie, via your Club, or you won't be allowed near the firing point. I haven't fired a military weapon in 20 years but I'd do a range safety course as normal. I'm in no doubt that it would freshen the memory of weapon handling. Most shooters of ex-mil rifles in Ireland are exers and know how to behave but they all do an RSC as if they were newbies when they join a club and any civvie range behaviour I have seen in the recent past has been quite competent.

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    The IFA have a Countryside Safe Shot 1 day programme

    I wouldn't have an issue with having to do a 1 or 2 day course

    They should also do a study to see if ballistic fingerprinting would help with stolen weapons
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    our troops have their weapons out in public places doing a job that can be stressful
    Overseas we have them 24/7 just I case a bad guy shows up.
    On other occasions we guard military installations prisons
    Are you saying a hobby shooter is on par?
    What exactly is a hobby shooter?

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    People who shoot as a hobby, as opposed to part of their job?

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    In fairness, I know guys who would shoot as much if not more then there military counterparts. I'm talking on the range every other weekend shooting or hunting.

    Apart from the odd course, ARP's or shooting teams the army would do a lot of weapon handling but not a lot of firing.

    As I've already said you can't just label one group as more proficient or experienced over the other.
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    Given that the DF frequently fail to recognise/reward civvy quals/exp it cannot be a shock/surprise if civvy orgs fail to have regard to DF quals/exp.

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