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    Cobbers keep navy afloat
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    Planned Pacific mission only possible because Australian sailors replacing Kiwis leaving for big pay across Ditch.






    Australia has sent some of its sailors to NZ to help. Photo / Australian Defence Force

    The New Zealand navy is relying on Australian sailors to keep it afloat as skilled crew leave in droves for higher-paid jobs across the Tasman.

    There are now about 20 Australian sailors at the Devonport naval base in Auckland, many of whom will soon make up the numbers for a New Zealand-led mission in the Pacific.

    One patrol vessel has been tied up for a year, and two others for seven months, because of recruitment and staffing issues.

    Just days after Auditor-General Lyn Provost published a report highlighting the loss of morale and staff in the Defence Force because of cost-cutting, a source told the Herald about 20 Australian navy personnel along with New Zealand Army staff were working at Devonport.

    While exchanges of naval staff between the two countries had taken place for years, the number of Australians with the NZ navy was higher than usual, the source said.

    Defence Minister Jonathan Coleman this week confirmed that the offshore patrol vessel Wellington had been tied up since last June but was scheduled to leave next month for sea training before a deployment in the southwest Pacific.



    Yesterday, a navy spokeswoman told the Herald the ship's core crew of 35 now included seven Australian sailors. In total, 18 Australian sailors were on NZ vessels in addition to personnel involved with regular exchanges.

    Dr Coleman said: "There's no question that the Australians are making a very valuable contribution which is helping us get our ships to sea."

    Asked whether there were more Australian sailors helping out now than ever, Dr Coleman said: "The overall numbers are high, yes." That was because of the skills shortages within the navy.

    "It's no secret that we've got fewer people in the navy and we're short of some crucial trades, so that Australian assistance is really helping us out."

    The staff attrition rate across the Defence Force was 21 per cent last year but is understood to be even higher in the navy, where many staff are trained in sought-after trades such as engineering.

    Labour defence spokesman Iain Lees-Galloway said Defence chief Lieutenant General Rhys Jones - when quizzed about the attrition rates during parliamentary hearings - said many skilled navy staff were being lured away by the high pay on offer in Australian mines.

    Mr Lees-Galloway said morale as a result of cost-cutting was "appallingly low, so you've got a lot of people looking around to see what their other options are".

    "It is deeply ironic that because we're bleeding personnel to Australia, we're having to use Australian personnel to put our ships to sea."

    Dr Coleman said the shortage of staff with crucial trade skills "does make it harder to put those ships to sea but at the same time they are able to do what the Government needs them to do".

    "What they are doing is delivering all the tasks they're contracted for - all the multi-agency stuff: police, customs, fisheries, all that stuff - as well as the basic defence needs."

    Official navy figures show the four inshore patrol vessels missed targets for total days at sea by almost 33 per cent last year.

    This year's fleet target has been reduced by about 9 per cent.

    The Australian sailors serving with the NZ navy are paid by Australia at Australian rates and with Australian conditions of service.


    Targets missed

    The inshore patrol vessels Hawea, Pukaki, Taupo, Rotoiti - combined days at sea:

    2011/12 target: 534-590

    2011/12 actual: 397

    2012/13 target: 484-535
    Our government should take note. This is the end result of cutbacks.

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    Our government (or at least our civil service) would be delighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Come-quickly View Post
    Our government (or at least our civil service) would be delighted.
    Would we? What makes you say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Would we? What makes you say that?
    Don't you know civil servants are evil, they require blood from non civil service babies to perform beastly acts so they go around kidnapping and ritually murdering them .


    it said it in the sindo today so it must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Our government should take note. This is the end result of cutbacks.
    Except patrol days and targets have been cut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul g View Post
    Don't you know civil servants are evil, they require blood from non civil service babies to perform beastly acts so they go around kidnapping and ritually murdering them .


    it said it in the sindo today so it must be true.
    We no longer need blood from non civil service babies. We now use that from cute puppies and kittens, which we first kick. According to the Sindo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    We no longer need blood from non civil service babies. We now use that from cute puppies and kittens, which we first kick. According to the Sindo.
    is that before stealing the coins from dead people's eyes. According to the sindo

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    HMNZS OTAGO - Campbell Island





    HMNZS OTAGO is down south at the sub-Antarctic Campbell Island taking DOC staff for a routine summer visit. Here is a set of photos from the visit. OTAGO is spending five days supporting DOC staff in various tasks on the island, including inspections of huts, maintenance of tracks, botanical research, and offloading of material and supplies.



    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...uary-15th-2013

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    Geminis?

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    http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...tain/31715467/

    WELLINGTON — Publication of New Zealand’s 2015 defense white paper (DWP) may be pushed to 2016.

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    I read somewhere else that they're ditching the Steyr AUG in favour of an AR15 variant.

    ETA Link: http://soldiersystems.net/2015/08/17...ne-tool-ar-15/
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    Makes sense. As part of the US alliance they stand to gain a good discount if they piggyback on their order. I wouldn't be surprises to see the Australians follow suit.

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    Makes sense. As part of the US alliance they stand to gain a good discount if they piggyback on their order. I wouldn't be surprises to see the Australians follow suit.
    I don't think LMT make rifles for US.mil, Remington have the current contract for M4s, FN might still do M16s and colt used to have both but managed to get bankrupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Makes sense. As part of the US alliance they stand to gain a good discount if they piggyback on their order. I wouldn't be surprises to see the Australians follow suit.
    The australians have invested a lot in an improved Austeyr known as the EF88 or the F90 as its called for export. To be honest I half expect it to win the FAMAS replacement competition seeing that Thales is a french company!

    http://www.lithgowarms.com/portfolio-item/f90/

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    The australians have invested a lot in an improved Austeyr known as the EF88 or the F90 as its called for export. To be honest I half expect it to win the FAMAS replacement competition seeing that Thales is a french company!

    http://www.lithgowarms.com/portfolio-item/f90/
    Is there talk of NATO changing to a larger round,?
    http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2013/1...ange-calibres/

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    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300536715.html

    Cubic's GATR Technologies Awarded Contract to Support New Zealand Defence Force
    GATR's first foreign military sale contract will provide satellite communications for the Network Enabled Army Program

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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11936431

    Former New Zealand Army captain and New Zealand First deputy leader Ron Mark is set to become Defence Minister in the Labour-New Zealand First Government.

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    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...fence-exercise

    Cast of thousands in South Island defence exercise
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    More than 3000 defence personnel from 12 countries are taking part in New Zealand's largest military exercise throughout the upper South Island.

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    https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...20Bird%20Brief

    WELLINGTON, New Zealand — Following New Zealand’s election last month, a tripartite coalition government comprised of the Labour, NZ First and Green parties was sworn in Thursday.

    Ron Marks, 63, a member of the NZ First party and a former soldier, has been appointed minister of defense.

    He joined the New Zealand Army in 1971 and successfully completed the special forces selection course in 1982, followed by a tour of duty in the Sinai Desert.

    In 1985, he left the Army as a captain and served with the Sultan of Oman’s Armed Forces in Dhofar until 1990.

    He first became a member of parliament in 1996.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...20Bird%20Brief

    WELLINGTON, New Zealand — Following New Zealand’s election last month, a tripartite coalition government comprised of the Labour, NZ First and Green parties was sworn in Thursday.

    Ron Marks, 63, a member of the NZ First party and a former soldier, has been appointed minister of defense.

    He joined the New Zealand Army in 1971 and successfully completed the special forces selection course in 1982, followed by a tour of duty in the Sinai Desert.

    In 1985, he left the Army as a captain and served with the Sultan of Oman’s Armed Forces in Dhofar until 1990.

    He first became a member of parliament in 1996.
    This is a very strange political marriage typical of a MMP style election. The NZ First Party is a kind of Brexit-Trump conservative nationalists lot surprisingly in with Labour and the fringe Greens who are polar opposites when it comes to defence. NZ First with a DefMIn and a Foreign Minister who is also the DepPM and another parliamentary U/S outside of Cabinet for Foreign Affairs holds the influence on external relations. One of the political policies that NZ First are very keen on is to restore New Zealand’s strike capability with a small advanced force of jet trainer and combat aircraft by 2020, which some are reading the tea leaves as the FA-50 whom Mr Mark mentioned as an example. That remains to be seen but NZ First have kept the former governments $18.3 billion spending plan on Cap Ex through to 2030 on track.
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