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  • Originally posted by danno View Post
    Should be no shortage of candidates given the juicy allowance payable.
    No shortage of applications but it isn't the wages (unless they haven't done their research) it's the training

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    • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
      The article says "fixed wing aircraft".
      and?

      This just isn't an Air Corps problem, its a Defence Forces wide problem that is only going to get worse. Far to many highly trained personnel have been lost in the brain drain this last few years.
      Yes but say your training COE engineers, they can't double/triple job etc (which will long term effect retention) but a pilot has a max FDP, he has to get a certain amount of rest, etc etc



      Students are sent to a collage for a number of weeks as part of the course, that's what the tender is possibly for or it could be a tender for testing applicants to be selected for the course, most of the training and hour building is done in house.
      It's phase 1 so it could be



      If the pay was so great then there wouldn't be a retention problem. There will be no shortage of applicants, just need the right caliber of people to pass selection and the course.
      Then there is the issue of sending ATC Airmen on a seven month PNCO course, its just stupid and a waste of resources in my opinion.
      +1

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      • Why is the Air Corps involved in transplant transport in the first place.?

        Remember that ungrateful Guard up in Donegal who was badmouthing them cause they where not at his beck and call
        Last edited by sofa; 5 February 2017, 22:53.

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        • Originally posted by sofa View Post
          Why is the Air Corps involved in transplant transport in the first place.?
          I guess cause when it was needed in the start they were the only ones could do it, and now it's just there as a legacy.

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          • Originally posted by sofa View Post
            Why is the Air Corps involved in transplant transport in the first place.?

            Remember that ungrateful Guard up in Donegal who was badmouthing them cause they where not at his beck and call
            Because they are sometimes time critical, not even a weekly occurrence (35 Fixed wing missions in 2015), commercial operators (unless under contract) generally have higher response times, they are expensive.

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            • Of course BREXIT could effect air ambulances to the UK too

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              • AIRCORPS112 arriving at UH Galway shortly before 6pm tonight in miserable weather.
                Pic:David McGrath

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                • The HSE has put in place a private air ambulance service to bring seriously ill children to British hospitals for transplants after difficulties arose with the night-time service provided by the Air Corps and Irish Coast Guard.

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                  • Something the Air Corpse should be ashamed of. How can you not provide sufficient pilots so one dedicated air ambulance aircraft can remain available?
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                      Something the Air Corpse should be ashamed of. How can you not provide sufficient pilots so one dedicated air ambulance aircraft can remain available?
                      Why the AC fault ?

                      Some of it is, some of it isn’t - work practices some may be a DFHQ and/or DoD issue. Eg should AC pilots have to do the 6 mth Army JCSC.

                      The pilot retention scheme was initiated around 1997 - that is how long this dates back, DoD decided to discontinue it to save €600k a year

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                      • It takes between 4 & 5 complete crews to provide a full on-demand 24hr service, 7 days a week. And each of those crews has to maintain their IFR/night ratings at the same time.

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                        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                          It takes between 4 & 5 complete crews to provide a full on-demand 24hr service, 7 days a week. And each of those crews has to maintain their IFR/night ratings at the same time.
                          And the establishment (never mind the strength) may not even allow that

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                          • It is worth mentioning that neither the Air Corp nor the Coast Guard can provide this service.

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                            • Safety recommendation from Tramore, AAIU recommending the DoD address the loss of AC pilots

                              Loss of personnel and related issues featured in:
                              5 Of the 26 systemic findings

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                              • In the time of Tramore, there was no proper shift system for pilots or mechs. You were "on" for 24 hrs, regardless of the number of flights and you were expected to get sleep as and when you could, so a quiet day meant you got plenty of sleep and a busy day meant you didn't. It was the same on the Border and was well-established practise, flawed but considered normal.... The pilot retention scheme was a farce, because it was based around a threat, ie, we'll leave and go to the airlines unless you pay us more... and some of the "pilots" were non-flyers, who manned desks in ground appointments and flew once a year to keep their Wings and Flying pay.....right now, the DF can't compete with civvy jobs because the pay is (but not always) sub-par, the pension is gone to shit (but still better than a lot of civvy pensions) and the use of shifts means that it's just like a civvy job and the threat of having to do an overseas tour is sending people out the gate...

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