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    Ropebag, I wondered the same thing when watching the Paris attacks. Not to mention the armed response on the ground.
    No disrespect to the personnel in the Air Corps or Army as I'm sure they're aware of the problem.
    Even a major air accident or natural disaster would be problematic.
    But it will never happen here! It's comfy down here, head in the sand. Cosy even.

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    GASU would be the first responder as they are a 24 hour (ish) operation. It is, however shocking that 20 years after it begun operations, it still only has 2 rotary and one fixed wing aircraft, based only in Dublin, instead of at least one per garda Region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    GASU would be the first responder as they are a 24 hour (ish) operation. It is, however shocking that 20 years after it begun operations, it still only has 2 rotary and one fixed wing aircraft, based only in Dublin, instead of at least one per garda Region.
    GASU would be the first to arrive at an incident but they are effectively aerial C2 as the most they can carry is one or two pers due to the fitout in the cabin. To Move ARW/ERU in any numbers you need 139's or similar.
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    PSNI has 6 aircraft for 6 counties!
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    GASU would be the first to arrive at an incident but they are effectively aerial C2 as the most they can carry is one or two pers due to the fitout in the cabin. To Move ARW/ERU in any numbers you need 139's or similar.
    added to which the GASU helicopter is likely to be the best source of information regarding a hugely confusing, unfolding/moving situation that the Gardai have - the chances that the senior GS officers on duty in the control room are going to chin that off and go blind for half an hour while the GASU goes offline to go and pick up 2 ARW blokes is going to be, if not very nearly zero, then very actually zero.

    anyone who came up with that plan, or believed or accepted it, is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    GASU would be the first responder as they are a 24 hour (ish) operation. It is, however shocking that 20 years after it begun operations, it still only has 2 rotary and one fixed wing aircraft, based only in Dublin, instead of at least one per garda Region.
    One per region might be a bit of a stretch. 1 Helecopter per 2 regions with 2 in Dublin (3x EC135 & 1x EC145) might be more doable.
    But giving that the Dog Unit is over 50 years old and is still mainly based in the DMR with a couple of handlers in the south instead of a dog team in every region, I wouldn't hold my breath
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    given the 'airlift' capability - when matched to the kind of sortie rates and availability the AC achieves - works out at one helicopter capable of carrying 8 blokes with their gear, what actual use in any real world situation do you think that has?
    better than zero if you actually have it and your available assets are not rescuing cats from trees in some ministers parish!.. or out looking for his stolen bicycle.

    It will never add up no matter how many helos you have if every organistaion in the state has first call on them before those they were supplied to serve.

    Btw , Air Ambulance done in Waterford to day, sick person repatriated from Sweden by Cessna Citation......privately owned !!! And the taxpayer isn't picking up the bill!
    Time for another break I think......

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    Why would the ARW be responding when the pecking order for response is likely to be:
    Unarmed local Gardai
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    ERU
    ARW

    Possibly with armed local detectives in the mix somewhere too

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Btw , Air Ambulance done in Waterford to day, sick person repatriated from Sweden by Cessna Citation......privately owned !!! And the taxpayer isn't picking up the bill!
    Repatriation is often covered by health and/or travel insurance. There are a small number of private jet companies that specialize in patient repatriations. One in Shannon today also. Call sign "Med Air".

    Taxpayers here would not fund repatriations but would provide Air Ambulance transport for specialist care only available outside the State. In most cases the Air Ambulance is more cost effective than providing the care here.

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