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    DeV do those figures include GASU?

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    Think so

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    The pilot EAS air ambulance based in Athlone has been extended again until December. Its going to be made permanent once the Government approve the decision and will probably be made public on budget day. There is also a plan to make it a 24hr service.

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    A link to pictures of Medevac 112 taken by my Son David, I think they are some of the best ones I have seen so far, 112 arrived into Galway Hospital pad this week and after handing over their patient they very kindly took off and landed on the nearby pitch to allow Rescue 115 land on the pad who also had a casualty for the hospital. Please like or comment on the pictures .

    Link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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    Very nice shots. Maybe Galway needs a second pad. Seems to be a busy place of late. BTW why does the EAS helo have skids fitted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    BTW why does the EAS helo have skids fitted?
    The EAS helicopter is expected to land in unprepared landing sites in all weathers so slump protection pads are fitted. It adds great flexibility to the service allowing the aircraft to land just about anywhere, getting as close to the casualty as possible. The EAS has even landed in peat bogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    Very nice shots. Maybe Galway needs a second pad. Seems to be a busy place of late. BTW why does the EAS helo have skids fitted?
    I'm not sure they have the space? It's been a while since I've been in the grounds there, but it always struck me as pretty congested, as for carparks/ Flat roofs, I'd imagine the rooftops would probably need re-engineering, and parking there is pretty bad at the best of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    Very nice shots. Maybe Galway needs a second pad. Seems to be a busy place of late. BTW why does the EAS helo have skids fitted?
    There is hardly a day or night goes by without 112 or the Coastguard coming in, Rescue 118 just gone in the last hour, there are rumours that they may leave the temporary pad as a secondry pad as there is no doubt it is very busy there. time will tell but its a wonderful service by both services.

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    High pressure tires not suitable for landing on soft terrain requiring snow skis to be fitted which prevents undercarriage from being retracted which reduces top speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark23 View Post
    High pressure tires not suitable for landing on soft terrain requiring snow skis to be fitted which prevents undercarriage from being retracted which reduces top speed
    Don't think so - type pressure has nothing to do with helicopters landing on soft terrain - more to do with Weight of the helicopter on the surface in question. IRCG hehicopters are heavier still - why don't they have skids fitted if they're involved in EAS ops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    IRCG hehicopters are heavier still - why don't they have skids fitted if they're involved in EAS ops?
    Bigger wheels and more of them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    Don't think so - type pressure has nothing to do with helicopters landing on soft terrain - more to do with Weight of the helicopter on the surface in question. IRCG hehicopters are heavier still - why don't they have skids fitted if they're involved in EAS ops?
    I doubt CHC even have slump pads or snow skids, I cant remember ever seeing them fitted even on the old S-61. If they're not providing the proper radio equipment then they are hardly going to provide slump pads or snow skids.

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    The ircg would use winch in most cases.

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    Numerous pictures of Medevac 112 facebook page of EAS AW139 at incident site with skis fitted to main undercarriage not nose, due to high ground pressure from narrow high pressure tires. tire pressure has everything to do with helicopters/aircraft on soft terrain hence why aircraft like the C-130 use large low pressure tires for landing on rough terrain, also example of AW101 using double main wheels of large low pressure type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure Hover View Post
    Don't think so - type pressure has nothing to do with helicopters landing on soft terrain - more to do with Weight of the helicopter on the surface in question. IRCG hehicopters are heavier still - why don't they have skids fitted if they're involved in EAS ops?
    It`s HEMS ops the IRCG do PH. The 92 doesn't need them .....because it has the right amount of wheels on its undercarriage (6 in total) for the variety of operations it carries out. Something the 139 doesn't have and a big failing in its undercarriage design for the type of operations it is carrying out and probably overlooked by theIAC when deciding what Heli would replace the Dauphine/Alouette fleet, hence the addition of the skis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    The pilot EAS air ambulance based in Athlone has been extended again until December. Its going to be made permanent once the Government approve the decision and will probably be made public on budget day. There is also a plan to make it a 24hr service.
    Any update ??? Budget day has been and gone. Rumour has it a protential new AOC holder is eyeing this one up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    If they're not providing the proper radio equipment
    Enlighten me Rhodes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helihead View Post
    It`s HEMS ops the IRCG do PH. The 92 doesn't need them .....because it has the right amount of wheels on its undercarriage (6 in total) for the variety of operations it carries out. Something the 139 doesn't have and a big failing in its undercarriage design for the type of operations it is carrying out and probably overlooked by theIAC when deciding what Heli would replace the Dauphine/Alouette fleet, hence the addition of the skis.
    Id really like to see a S-92 landing on boggy ground. Forcing a time critical casualty to be transported by road to a football pitch or park because you cant land on unprepared landing sites and waiting for land based staff to drive to any possible site to check the ground before landing is unacceptable and ridicules. Landing as close to the casualty as safely possible is essential regardless of the ground conditions. There is no failings in the AW139's undercarriage design, CHC certainty don't think so as they are the worlds largest operator of the type.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helihead View Post
    Any update ??? Budget day has been and gone. Rumour has it a protential new AOC holder is eyeing this one up.
    A decision has been made by the DoH, the Government has to approve it to make it official, when they get round to doing that is anyone's guess.

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    Enlighten me Rhodes ?
    One of your fellow CHC colleagues has confirmed on here that CHC aircraft regular cant make contact with Coast Guard bases on land when operating in the Irish SAR region and need the Air Corps to provide a "comms link".

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    "Id really like to see a S-92 landing on boggy ground. Forcing a time critical casualty to be transported by road to a football pitch or park because you cant land on unprepared landing sites and waiting for land based staff to drive to any possible site to check the ground before landing is unacceptable and ridicules."

    It can be done to the first bit, it is not rocket science. You are totally misinformed on the remainder. In relation to the "unacceptable and ridicules", be careful of the unprepared landing site. They can bite back from time to time, need I say anymore.

    In relation to an announcement being made about about EAS. Its now "anyones guess"...ok. EASA rules and regs come into effect at the end of this month I believe that might have some influence on that outcome.

    As for comms fit in IRCG aircraft...well, lets just say it`s as what was requested by the customer and all Well up to date, but no matter how well up to date it is, it is limited in its range at low level. Something to do with Physics....I suggest if you get a chance, talk to someone in signals, they will explain the basics to you. Then go and talk to someone who knows something about top cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helihead View Post
    "Id really like to see a S-92 landing on boggy ground. Forcing a time critical casualty to be transported by road to a football pitch or park because you cant land on unprepared landing sites and waiting for land based staff to drive to any possible site to check the ground before landing is unacceptable and ridicules."

    It can be done to the first bit, it is not rocket science. You are totally misinformed on the remainder. In relation to the "unacceptable and ridicules", be careful of the unprepared landing site. They can bite back from time to time, need I say anymore.

    In relation to an announcement being made about about EAS. Its now "anyones guess"...ok. EASA rules and regs come into effect at the end of this month I believe that might have some influence on that outcome.

    As for comms fit in IRCG aircraft...well, lets just say it`s as what was requested by the customer and all Well up to date, but no matter how well up to date it is, it is limited in its range at low level. Something to do with Physics....I suggest if you get a chance, talk to someone in signals, they will explain the basics to you. Then go and talk to someone who knows something about top cover.
    If it can be done then why aren't CHC doing it? Why are they forcing time critical casualties to be transported by road to landing sites on hard ground?

    The pilot EAS has been extended until December and decision has been made to make it permanent, no matter what is going to happen at the end of the month and how much you envy the Air Corps great service.

    What altitude do the ships and boats fly at that contact Coast Guard bases on land requesting help? If a vessel in the Irish SAR region can contact Coast Guard bases but the rescue helicopter flying higher cant then there is something seriously wrong.

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    Often very difficult to get ch16/23 on the Barrow below 'Ross.

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    What altitude do the ships and boats fly at that contact Coast Guard bases on land requesting help?
    Any piccies of that flying ship?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Been busy the past while, what have I missed?!
    Reference the comms fit of the S92, check out this link-
    http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...orskys92-0.pdf

    Rhodes, not sure if you are aware but the landing sites for EAS flights are selected by the National Aeromedical Co-ordination Centre (NACC). They have a vast network of pre determined landing sites that they selected in conjunction with the IAC. Both the 92 and 139 crews are told where to go to meet the ambulance. There is no problem with a CG 92 setting down on a closed motorway, random field or wherever else its deemed necissery but that's a NACC decision as they have to tie in the road ambulance and helicopter. Naturally for SAR the 92 can and does land anywhere big enough and the only issues posed by the surface are the slope and or a surface too uneven to touch on. These are the problems all helicopters are faced with. There is no problem putting the wheels on but holding the weight off while the patient is loaded through the ramp and if that's not feasible then you can just winch.
    During the hours of darkness the S92's are still available for HEMS ops. The only place they can legally land are pre surveyed floodlit sites. This is a legal requirement for HEMS operations which must be Class one performance at all times. These are dotted around the country and are used frequently when requested.
    If the IAC have been extended till December then that's good news. I do wonder what will happen between now and then in relation to the EASA ruling that comes into effect on the 28th of this month. It's pretty clear on what's HEMS and what's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    If it can be done then why aren't CHC doing it? Why are they forcing time critical casualties to be transported by road to landing sites on hard ground?

    The pilot EAS has been extended until December and decision has been made to make it permanent, no matter what is going to happen at the end of the month and how much you envy the Air Corps great service

    What altitude do the ships and boats fly at that contact Coast Guard bases on land requesting help? If a vessel in the Irish SAR region can contact Coast Guard bases but the rescue helicopter flying higher cant then there is something seriously wrong.
    Believe it or not Rhodes. I think its great the IAC are doing EAS....if thats what they want to be at. Theres enough of it to go around. If it goes 24 hours for them out of Athlone, well in my opinion all the better.

    But don't expect to come on here with limited or misinformed information about IRCG ops or comms fit and not get challenged on it.

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    The next couple of months will certainly be interesting in terms of EAS and one would hope that the Air Corps would be rewarded for their efforts in what appears to be a highly valued service. The customer appears to be well satisfied too. Whether or not the AC would be better off in or out is open to debate and a lot probably depends on the upcoming White Paper on Defence.
    EASA or not there are always alternative options available to Gov't. HEMS/EAS is of course laden with vested interests, many openly visible on here. No doubt the Govt are being lobbied extensively by these same interests and every effort is being made in some quarters to exclude the AC. The Gov't should be wary however and hopefully they've learned something in terms of VFM from the last State civilian helicopter contract. Different era maybe ......!

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