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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    For those upset, The COS and the Staff generals are there to oversee Strategic Planning, Public Relations, Operational and Supply matters together with Administrative oversight. None of them Command anything or anyone. Command lies with the Brigade Commanders and the Naval and Air Corps Commanders . The predicament of other Ranks lies with their CO's and their Major unit CO's in turn. Back bone requires cage rattling to highlight unacceptable conditions . Silent voices are Never heard. The only avenue for a COS is resignation with consequences for his family and future.
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    And can only work with the resources provided by Government and subsequently DoD

    I ask myself why DoD are involved in so many areas

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    For those upset, The COS and the Staff generals are there to oversee Strategic Planning, Public Relations, Operational and Supply matters together with Administrative oversight. None of them Command anything or anyone. Command lies with the Brigade Commanders and the Naval and Air Corps Commanders . The predicament of other Ranks lies with their CO's and their Major unit CO's in turn. Back bone requires cage rattling to highlight unacceptable conditions . Silent voices are Never heard. The only avenue for a COS is resignation with consequences for his family and future.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaRvbQSjrk

    When I read your comment, this instantly came to mind
    It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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    The design of all Governments Departments gives absolute control to the Departmental Secretaries General, particularly The Secretary of the Department of Finance. There is an old saying that the next rank to Chief of staff, in financial terms, is Clerical Officer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The design of all Governments Departments gives absolute control to the Departmental Secretaries General, particularly The Secretary of the Department of Finance. There is an old saying that the next rank to Chief of staff, in financial terms, is Clerical Officer!
    That a improved a lot (from a very low base) with some expenditure devolved to DF officers

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    Years ago driving home from work listen to Miles Duggen's Drive time ? There was a discussion about the Army running there own budget. Duggen was interviewing a civil servant who was saying it was a bad idea. The best he could come out with to keep it in the hands of the civilians was it could prevent a military takeover of the State. Duggen asked did he the civil servant think by locking the cheque book in a drawer it would prevent the most heavily armed group in the country taking over.

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    Thats why they keep its top commanders in boxes.
    It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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    Thats why they keep its top commanders in boxes.
    It is also why our need for all round operational capability is sporadic and fragmented. The Defence Budget should contain annually a sum available to Defence Uniformed Staff to plug holes in the Combat Networks both on Land , Sea, and Air. There are needs in Combat Network Radio, Missile attack and Defence systems, Air Intercept, Ground Support, Medical evacuation,Medium to long Range responses, Top Combat Air patrols, all required both on land and in the Marine environment. Singular demonstrations have no Defence in Depth and are a restricted knowledge base.

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    Cork City Council held a civic reception earlier this week for Commodore Hugh Tully to celebrate the service he has provided to the state and his imminent retirement.




    New FOCNS to be from wrong side of the base for the first time in the history of the NS.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Not really a bad thing having someone coming from the trades.
    It's only recent years that the FOCNS even began their career in the Naval Sevice. I remember Cmdre Tully (rtd) as a Lt. Many years ago. In the next few years the FOCNS will be some one!I didn't serve with!!!
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Not really a bad thing having someone coming from the trades.
    It's only recent years that the FOCNS even began their career in the Naval Sevice. I remember Cmdre Tully (rtd) as a Lt. Many years ago. In the next few years the FOCNS will be some one!I didn't serve with!!!
    Has been very low key but the new FOCNS Commodore Michael Malone took up his post on 26th December.

    Congrats to him on making history as the first Engineer to become FOCNS.

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    I never thought I'd see the day.
    A fantastic coup for the wrong side of the base. A very able operator, will be interesting to see what mark he leaves on the service. I understand already some of his opinions are unpopular with the NS, and would not be popular amongst many here also. Time will tell.
    I believe already the Exec branch are wondering who will still be about to replace him when he inevitably retires.

    Does anyone else think he bears a strong resemblance to one of the mod team?
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Has been very low key but the new FOCNS Commodore Michael Malone took up his post on 26th December.

    Congrats to him on making history as the first Engineer to become FOCNS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    I never thought I'd see the day.
    A fantastic coup for the wrong side of the base. A very able operator, will be interesting to see what mark he leaves on the service. I understand already some of his opinions are unpopular with the NS, and would not be popular amongst many here also. Time will tell.
    I believe already the Exec branch are wondering who will still be about to replace him when he inevitably retires.

    Does anyone else think he bears a strong resemblance to one of the mod team?
    What type of opinions NG.

    Is it NS to shower at least monthly,

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    Monthly? The army made you soft.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Cmdre Malone is a graduate of the 25th cadet class from 1981 and interestingly is the only one of that class both Exec and Engineering branch still serving .

    But he is not the officer with the highest service with at least two if not four exec branch officers senior in service still serving.. but one of them is a muppet!

    i served with him on Eithne , where he was the understudy electrical officer, quite an approachable guy, I offer my best wishes to the new FOCNS
    Time for another break I think......

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    you would have been in the service with him though..he is engine room not electrical...
    Last edited by golden rivet; 14th January 2018 at 18:42.

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    Another general gets a DSM.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Well deserved. Very distinguished career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post



    Another general gets a DSM.
    Yep. Saw the photo on the front of the Indo today. Presuming this is Maj Gen Beary's swansong from the DF, with the ending of his term as FC UNIFIL?
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Well deserved. Very distinguished career.
    No... he got paid every week to do his job and promoted on his ability!

    Another devaluation of the medal...
    Last edited by hptmurphy; 5th September 2018 at 16:23.
    Time for another break I think......

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    There are 27 recipients of the DSM with Honour, 13 of them are generals. It was issued sparingly (even to generals, usually only if they were also force commanders somewhere) up until the early 90s and since then all the COS received the DSM except for Sean McCann (assuming the list on military.ie is correct), I wonder what he did wrong? On current trend VADM Mellet will get a second DSM (this time with honour) on his retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    There are 27 recipients of the DSM with Honour, 13 of them are generals. It was issued sparingly (even to generals, usually only if they were also force commanders somewhere) up until the early 90s and since then all the COS received the DSM except for Sean McCann (assuming the list on military.ie is correct), I wonder what he did wrong? On current trend VADM Mellet will get a second DSM (this time with honour) on his retirement.
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.inde...-29452602.html

    Note DSM on his chest

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    My bad. Transcription error by me. So to correct my statement all the COS since the early nineties have received the DSM with Honour

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    No... he got paid every week to do his job and promoted on his ability!

    Another devaluation of the medal...
    The medal is for distinguished service, it is not a medal for bravery or heroics or gallantry. We have another medal for that.

    This is a medal that denotes distinguished service. Leading the UN's largest peacekeeping force, being the only FC that is also HOM is as good as it gets. His most recent post had him command more troops than the Irish DF and unlike the COS he was actually in command.

    What do you think he could have done differently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    The medal is for distinguished service, it is not a medal for bravery or heroics or gallantry. We have another medal for that.

    This is a medal that denotes distinguished service. Leading the UN's largest peacekeeping force, being the only FC that is also HOM is as good as it gets. His most recent post had him command more troops than the Irish DF and unlike the COS he was actually in command.

    What do you think he could have done differently?
    The snag is that the DSM has also been awarded for acts of bravery and Gallantry when perhaps another medla should have been awarded.This is what muddies the waters.
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