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    I was also told yesterday that PDF officer promotions from Capt - Comdt have gone through in the last couple of days
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    BTW I presume you mis-spelled friends (freinds) on purpose. None of your best friends are black or gay or goth or officers, are they?
    I spelt it that way because thats the way I spelt it- I am lucky that goth and gay turned out right.

    If the question relates to o/ranks an acceptable justification can be "that's the rank set out in the establishment"
    Exactly-

    Remember the lower orders never set the establishment tables- the guys in the super fines who never had to interview did.

    but when it comes to officers snide comments about 'jobs for the boys' are fair comment?
    I strongly resent that and I am amazed you would stoopp so low- snide implies underhand and subterfuge, my comments about your mates was open and nothing was hidden.


    As for the PA/MP example, I see you're not denying the some appointments benefit from a minimum rank to promote the authority of that appointment holder when trying to do their job.
    Come on- you were in long enough to know that the differnece between a Pte PA clearing a mess and a Col I/C of a Brigade is not comparable.

    Just to be clear, that intention is organisational support when it applies to o/ranks but it's jobs for the boys when it applies to officers?
    Exactly

    As George Orwell might have said - 3 stripes good - 3 pips bad.

    However, their plight is not a unique one. Plenty of officers have done the J C&S since the embargo
    Really- really- please dont be that guy.

    As for your last point, that's just a blatant double standard. The RSM must be an RSM so that he/she can be 'in charge' of 4 x BS. How is that not the same as a Maj Gen having to be a Maj Gen so that he/she can be in charge of the 3 x Bde OCs for Ops and Sp issues? Or, how is that not the same as a Col must be a Col to be 'in charge' of the 3 x Unit Comdrs. Operations, Training, Doctrine, someone has to be in charge. It's exactly the same thing..................except it's not when it applies to officers?
    You seem to make my argument in your post-look at your last point-
    a Col must be a Col to be 'in charge' of the 3 x Unit Comdrs. Operations, Training, Doctrine, someone has to be in charge.
    Unit Comdrs and Ops etc are Lt Cols- therefore the Col will be in charge exactly like a RSM will be in charge of the gang of BS's.

    Lets face it Jess- The DF need more lads on the ground at lower rank level- we dont really need so many generals and Cols- I say fcuk out a rake of generals and cols and use the money saved (Ptes Pay v Gens pay) to bring in loads more Ptes.

    We also need a Cadet class this year like I need to put on weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    Up to quiet recently (last ish month or two) we had PA's who did the course but because of the embargo they didnt get the stripe...
    Yup, looked weird alright, seeing an MP with 3 Stars - there's a picture of one of these guys on Flickr somewhere

    This month's picture parade in An Cosantoir features several new Cpls to 2 Bde MP Coy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessup View Post
    The Infantry Corps have managed without a Corps Director and they're the 'biggest' Corps.
    OC Inf Sch is D Inf I think.

    The LSBs went the opposite way. The units were merged but retained their individual Corps Directors. For those folks there's speculation of a new 'D Logs' with specialist staff officers in S&T, Ordnance, Medical etc. The Corps loose their separate directors and some of the staff officers and NCOs.
    There was be a D Logs in the 98 reorg (BG rank) in addition to the Corps Directors, I think. Not sure if it actually happened. None of the corps in what became the LSB merged. Some of the units within the corps merged:

    Grn and Fd S&T Coys
    Grn MP and Fd MP Coys


    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    Because its the rank set out in the establishment- an Ord Room Sgt is a trmemdously responsible job- very few units have trained Adjts or Admin Officers so in a lot of Units the O Room Sgt actually does the work of the Officer who reads the Metro and gets the salute etc etc-

    You will find now because of the promotion embargo that a lot of Units dont have an O Room SGt but rather an O room Cpl doing the work of the Sgt and the Capt.(unpaid)
    I remember seeing a Ord Rm Cpls course advertised a good few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    OC Inf Sch is D Inf I think
    There was definitely a D Inf a couple of years back, a full Colonel appointment. Don't know about now though...


    There was be a D Logs in the 98 reorg (BG rank) in addition to the Corps Directors, I think. Not sure if it actually happened...
    Never heard of a D Logs appointment, until recently. Someone mentioned there was talk of a D Logs Appointment to replace D Ord, D Tpt, D Med
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    Great article. It's like he knows the DF.

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    How to Fix the Army: Sack All the Generals
    BY ALLEN MCDUFFEE08.12.139:30 AM


    Army Chief of Staff Gen. Raymond T. Odierno receives a briefing from Maj. Gen. James C. McConville, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) commanding general (right), Brig. Gen. Ronald F. Lewis, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault). Photo: U.S. Army
    Lt. Col. Daniel L. Davis doesn’t have faith in Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno.

    Or the rest of the U.S. Army’s generals, for that matter.

    Writing in the August issues of The Armed Forces Journal (“Purge the generals“), Davis argues that it’s high time to sack the Army’s senior leaders for what he sees as an institutionalized epidemic of astonishing failures that not only go unreported, but are typically rewarded. All of it, he says, is creating a self-perpetuating culture of abysmal performance that won’t go away until the generals do.

    “Over that past 20 years, our senior leaders have amassed a record of failure in major organizational, acquisition and strategic efforts,” Davis writes. “These failures have been accompanied by the hallmarks of an organization unable and unwilling to fix itself: aggressive resistance to the reporting of problems, suppression of failed test results, public declaration of success where none was justified, and the absence of accountability.”

    Davis, a seasoned Army colonel who has already earned a reputation for being something of a whistleblower by tracking leadership failures from the field in Afghanistan, describes a system where underserving leaders “received prestigious medals, promotions to higher ranks, and plum follow-on jobs; others retired and went to work for defense contractors, often with companies that had profited from the failed acquisition effort.”

    Just a few of those failed acquisition efforts total nearly $35 billion dollars.

    Davis points to the RAH-66 Comanche armed reconnaissance helicopter (launched in 1991, canceled after $6.9 billion had been spent), the XM2001 Crusader mobile cannon (launched in 1995, canceled after $7 billion spent) and Future Combat Systems (launched in 2003, canceled after $20 billion spent).

    But Davis isn’t alone in his criticism, and it’s not just the money. Others see a mediocre Army whose leaders seem insistent on creating a smaller combat force that is mismatched for the future of American operations.

    In May 2007, Lt. Col. Paul Yingling, comparing the prospect of U.S. defeat in the cases of Vietnam and Iraq, wrote that the debacles in the Iraq war “are not attributable to individual failures, but rather to a crisis in an entire institution: America’s general officer corps,” who have “failed to prepare our armed forces for war.”

    Davis worries about the decade of the Army and Marine Corps obsessed with counterinsurgency and small-unit warfare while a “a new generation of Chinese military leaders has deepened its understanding and application of conventional warfare.”

    And Thomas Ricks wrote in The Atlantic in November 2012 (“General Failure”) that, “To a shocking degree, the Army’s leadership ranks have become populated by mediocre officers, placed in positions where they are likely to fail. Success goes unrewarded, and everything but the most extreme failure goes unpunished, creating a perverse incentive system that drives leaders toward a risk-averse middle where they are more likely to find a stalemate than a victory.”

    He added: “Ironically, our generals have grown worse as they have been lionized more and more by a society now reflexively deferential to the military… No one is pushing those leaders to step back and examine the shortcomings of their institution. These are dangerous developments. Unaddressed, they could lead to further failures in future wars.”

    But how to fix such an ingrained, systemic problem?

    Whereas Yingling wanted Congress to intervene, Davis is looking for top ranking Pentagon officials of the civilian class to make a number of changes, including shrinking the group of 900 generals and admirals to a more reasonable number and change the promotion system to be more aligned with performance and success that would encourage “prudent risk-taking and nonconformist thinking.”

    But more than anything, Davis argues that it’s time to replace “a substantial chunk” of today’s generals, starting with the three- and four-star ranks. Without this move, today’s leaders, who are products and benefactors of the existing system, don’t have the motivation to invoke substantive change.

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    Part 2 at http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...ailure/309148/

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    Source for first post

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013...-the-generals/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    OC Inf Sch is D Inf I think.
    Correct

    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    There was be a D Logs in the 98 reorg (BG rank) in addition to the Corps Directors, I think. Not sure if it actually happened.
    There is a D Logs Admin, now J4

    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    None of the corps in what became the LSB merged. Some of the units within the corps merged:

    Grn and Fd S&T Coys
    Grn MP and Fd MP Coys
    LSBs never had MP Coys


    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    I remember seeing a Ord Rm Cpls course advertised a good few years ago.
    O/Rm Cpls Cse is a fundamental level course in A administration, it is a prerequisite for the o/rm sgts cse. Despite the names of the courses neither is rank dependant. I know of Coy Sgts that have done the Cpls cse and I know of many many ptes that have done the Cpls cse.

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    Lets face it Jess- The DF need more lads on the ground at lower rank level- we dont really need so many generals and Cols- I say fcuk out a rake of generals and cols and use the money saved (Ptes Pay v Gens pay) to bring in loads more Ptes.

    We also need a Cadet class this year like I need to put on weight.[/QUOTE]

    Coudl not agree more with HH , and in the cadet class ensure there are a few rankers ( potential officers) and lets reduce the nepotism influence

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    To me the problem isn't really the number of general staff appointments (11 - but that possibly could be reduced by 1/2).

    The problem is there are too many SOs and SSOs. This is probably aided by the fact the army doesn't have all the sub-units it should but needs the same support structure.

    Also, short service commissions were not introduced so most people gain captain rank at least.

    The ECF set out the following establishment:
    Lt Gen 1
    Maj Gen 2
    Brig Gen 8
    Col 41
    Lt Col 137
    Comdt 336
    Capt 452
    Lt 256

    There are only so many ways of solving the obvious problem above.

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    Secretary-General Appoints Major General Michael Finn of Ireland



    To Head United Nations Truce Supervision Organization




    United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today announced the appointment of Major General Michael Finn of Ireland as the Head of Mission and Chief of Staff of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO).


    Major General Finn succeeds Major General Juha Kilpia of Finland, who will complete his assignment on 30 June 2013. The Secretary-General is grateful to Major General Kilpia for his dedication and effective leadership of UNTSO over the past two years.


    Major General Finn brings to his new position extensive command and peacekeeping experience attained through service at the national and international levels. Prior to his appointment, Major General Finn was the General Officer commanding the Second Infantry, a position he held since 2010. In 2003 and 2004, Major General Finn commanded the first Irish infantry force in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) mission in Kosovo. He also served as the Director of Logistics in the European Union Military Staff within the European Union General Council Secretariat in Brussels (2007-2010). Major General Finn’s experience with United Nations peacekeeping include as a military observer assigned to Observer Group Golan assisting the implementation of the mandate of the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) (1993-1995) and as an UNTSO military observer assigned to Observer Group Lebanon assisting the implementation of the mandate of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), and Company Commander and a Battalion Operations Officer in UNIFIL.


    Major General Finn graduated from the University College of Galway in Ireland. He also graduated with distinction from the Irish Command and Staff School and attended a number of international military courses.


    Born in Ireland in 1953, he is married and has three children.

    http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2013/sga1417.doc.htm
    Another Maj Gen vacancy? Almost one for everyone in the audience now. September will be fun.

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    That vacancy is one from the overseas establishment.It also removes one from the list of candidates for DCOS.Golden handshake.
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    Any news on DCOS SP interviews?. Are they going to fill it before years end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Any news on DCOS SP interviews?. Are they going to fill it before years end?
    Well, If An Cosantoir is anything to go by, there will be An Air Corps Lt General before we see a Naval O-8. This Month's connect features officer rank sliders, but the Naval one still stops at Commodore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Well, If An Cosantoir is anything to go by, there will be An Air Corps Lt General before we see a Naval O-8. This Month's connect features officer rank sliders, but the Naval one still stops at Commodore.

    Yeah saw that. Talk about putting you in your place..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by A/TEL View Post
    Any news on DCOS SP interviews?. Are they going to fill it before years end?
    Commodore Mark Mellett is the new D COS Sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    Is he now an Admiral so?
    As it stands he will be Major General but id guess they will make up a new Rear Admiral rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    Commodore Mark Mellett is the new D COS Sp.
    Always liked the chap and I always was jealous of how good an Officer the Navy had with him. He is one of those people that can only do tremodous stuff-the DF now has got an amazing Officer as DCOS Sp-

    Though I wish he is the one that serves the least time as DCOS and becomes COS in the very very near future-

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    where was news broken abour new D/COS

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    I got a call from the Minister earlier today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goc132 View Post
    where was news broken abour new D/COS
    In the Dail.

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    this is fantastic news. As soon as he made commodore there was an exit of dead weight from haulbowline. He is a personable man who treats those under his command as people not numbers, but expects everyone to work to his high standards too. He will be fantastic for the defence forces, however his promotion will leave a gap at naval hq that will now be hard to match.
    god help the army though :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    this is fantastic news. As soon as he made commodore there was an exit of dead weight from haulbowline. He is a personable man who treats those under his command as people not numbers, but expects everyone to work to his high standards too. He will be fantastic for the defence forces, however his promotion will leave a gap at naval hq that will now be hard to match.
    god help the army though :-)
    People speak about him the same way people spoke about Lt Gen Earley.

    Encouraging stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    I got a call from the Minister earlier today.
    LOL looking for your approval before announcing the appointment.

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