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  • Who makes all the decisions?
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • I'm still dreaming of the day when it will make sense to have different categories of names for different classes of ship and we run out of girls names.
      I shall sit on my hovertank on shore and take the salute as the fleet sails by. The lead stealth vessel will be called Michael Collins, trailed by its twelve sisters Peter, Andrew, James......
      Gubmint decides everything. Pray we never get the LE Gerry.
      Last edited by expat01; 9 June 2015, 20:32.

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      • Originally posted by Battletour View Post
        Question and apologies if this has been mentioned before. Who was responsible, who took and imposed the decision to break with naval tradition and chose the series of names
        Beckett etc?
        The lord came down from the heavens to tell the decision maker to call them what they've been called. Move on.
        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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        • A fully wind-powered sail training vessel called the Big Ian... Alright, what's in this beer?

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          • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            There were plenty of horrible ones too. One of the Corvettes (not one of ours) was called HMS Buttercup.
            All the Flower class corvettes me thinks were named after flowers?

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            • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
              Who makes all the decisions?
              Very helpful. Thanks!

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              • Originally posted by Battletour View Post
                Very helpful. Thanks!
                apparently it was some bloke called shatter...
                "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                Illegitimi non carborundum

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                • Flowers:
                  "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                  Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                  Illegitimi non carborundum

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                  • HMS Battleaxe was very appropiate IMO. Reminds one of the mother-in-law.

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                    • An in law of my mother's was lost on her , CPO Teddy Clinton, there used to be a picture at home of his widow leaving Buckingham Palace after collecting a medal, don't know what it would have been for.

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                      • What about the Ton Class? All named after places with -ton in their names............it could get worse! You could have ships named like local football teams...sponsored by O'Mahony's Fuels or Fusco's Chipper....the lads will have names on their uniforms like footie jerseys ;-)

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                        • This might throw some light on the origin of some of the names.

                          Former Defence Forces chief of staff who played key role in UN missions
                          Sat, Sep 26, 2009, 01:00
                          First published:
                          Sat, Sep 26, 2009, 01:00


                          LIEUT GEN TADHG O'NEILL:LIEUT GEN Tadhg O’Neill, who has died aged 82, was a former Defence Forces chief of staff. An artillery officer, he served at home and overseas on a number of UN missions.
                          After serving in 1960 with the 32nd Battalion in the Congo – the first Irish UN peacekeeping force – he did a tour of duty in Cyprus. In the 1980s, he served in Lebanon, first as senior operations officer and later as military assistant to the force commander of the UN interim force in Lebanon (Unifil).
                          O’Neill was born in Castlecomer, Co Kilkenny, in 1926. He entered the cadet school at the Curragh in 1946. Commissioned two years later, his career started with the Southern Command in Ballincollig, Co Cork. He spent some years in Kildare and at McKee Barracks, Dublin. He later served in Army headquarters before being appointed officer of the 2nd Field Artillery Regiment at McKee Barracks in April 1981.
                          On promotion to colonel, O’Neill was appointed commanding officer of the 2nd Brigade, Collins Barracks, Dublin, in May 1983. He was appointed second-in-command and executive officer of the Western Command in September 1983 and promoted to brigadier general in 1984.
                          O’Neill became chief of staff in January 1986. Later that year, in an address to an FCA summer camp in Co Clare, he condemned the “murderous obscenities” of the IRA and said Sinn Féin and the IRA were “one and the same thing”. He also condemned the IRA’s threat to kill anyone doing work for the North’s security forces. Calling for extra finance for the FCA, he said men who served in the force “would not get into the clutches of Sinn Féin or the IRA”.
                          In response, Sinn Féin issued a statement which alleged that O’Neill was attempting to “justify the introduction of internment”.
                          O’Neill travelled to Lebanon in 1986 following confrontations between Unifil troops and the Israeli-backed militia. He had a “full and frank exchange of views” with his Israeli opposite number.
                          In 1987, O’Neill and other officers lobbied the government to establish a review body to examine its defence policy. This followed an article in Jane’s Military Reviewdescribing Irish policy as a “parasitic neutrality” whereby Ireland relied on the Nato umbrella for its external defence while declining to contribute to that defence.
                          In spring 1989, four Irish soldiers were killed within a month while on duty in south Lebanon.
                          O’Neill went to Lebanon to review the situation on behalf of the government. He consulted the Unifil military police and had talks with the Amal militia and Israeli army. He made a point of visiting every military post occupied by Irish troops, and witnessed two spontaneous demonstrations by Arab villagers in support of the presence of the Irish battalion.
                          On his instructions, new security measures were put in place. Arising from his report, the government renewed the mandate of the Irish component of Unifil.
                          O’Neill retired in 1989. His wife, Émer, and daughters, Émer, Niamh and Orla, survive him.
                          Tadhg O’Neill: born October 16th, 1926; died September 17th, 2009

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                          • Only a coincidence. The Emer was commissioned in 1978 so it would have been before he had such an influence. He might have influenced the naming of the Orla but he was long retired when the Niamh came on stream.

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                            • Happy coincidence, though! He sounds to have been quite a man!

                              (Coincidences do happen with names - my wife and I once sat beside a chap on a train in the East of England, and after listening in to his conversation with his Mrs on his phone, realised his three kids had the same names as ours! In the same order, as well, and they are not common names!)
                              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                              • Could have been worse

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