Naming of Irish Naval Vessels

[DeV]

Well the Minister said in the Dail recently that the decision would be made soon and that was after the "names" were put up here.

[GoneToTheCanner]

No doubt, the actual people manning the current vessels were not asked their opinion.

regards
GttC

[Goldie fish]

Were they ever in the past? The opinion of the average airman, seaman or soldier matters little when it comes to military decision making.

[DeV]

At least 1 of the last 2 were selected in a schools competition.

[GoneToTheCanner]

@GF, true, of course, but time and again, when the upper echelons fail to listen to the enlisted, they end up wasting time/manpower/money on stupid gold-plated projects like the Dauphins and so on. Giving into populism in the face of a decent tradition is an insult to the NS.

regards
GttC

[Goldie fish]

@GF, true, of course, but time and again, when the upper echelons fail to listen to the enlisted, they end up wasting time/manpower/money on stupid gold-plated projects like the Dauphins and so on. Giving into populism in the face of a decent tradition is an insult to the NS.

regards
GttC

Poppycock.

[Turkey]

Poppycock.

I suppose this is a valid opinion, as is GTTC's,
What the hell is in a name anyway, maybe we should be discussing the qualities if the ships themselves[ weapon fit, speed, capability, etc, and not the 0.5 square meter or so of hull plating on either side close to the bow!

[Goldie fish]

The ships name is not carried anywhere on the Hull plating. Just a Pennant number which is not in question. The Name is usually carried on a wood plaque aft of the bridge. And on a canvas sheet tied to either side of the gangway.

[Turkey]

I was speaking generally about ships, but you are indeed correct Herr Fish....

[GoneToTheCanner]

On the Dauphin question, a certain aspect of the NADIR (?) equipment, desired by some of the pilots was questioned by a well-qualified Sergeant of Avionics, who knew far more about nav systems than the pilots certainly did. He was overruled and the equipment brought into service and it gave expensive trouble from the first to the last. I appreciate that those who are expected to lead and command must do so with a certain amount of blind faith in themselves but arbitrarily declining to listen to wise counsel because said counsellor is one of the enlisted is foolish.

regards
GttC

[Bravo20]

I heard that there was an article in a newspaper during the week about James Joyce's grandson protesting against any plan to name the new Naval vessel after his grandfather. I couldn't find anything online about it but it basically said that James Joyce would never want a military ship named after him especially an Irish Naval vessel as he hated everything military, he was not Irish but British, lived most of his life outside Ireland and was opposed to Irish independence.

That's the problem with naming ships after real people, stick to the mythical then there is no relative to complain

[Goldie fish]

On the Dauphin question, a certain aspect of the NADIR (?) equipment, desired by some of the pilots was questioned by a well-qualified Sergeant of Avionics, who knew far more about nav systems than the pilots certainly did. He was overruled and the equipment brought into service and it gave expensive trouble from the first to the last. I appreciate that those who are expected to lead and command must do so with a certain amount of blind faith in themselves but arbitrarily declining to listen to wise counsel because said counsellor is one of the enlisted is foolish.

regards
GttC

Ah now, there is a bit of a difference between a potentially life saving piece of navigation equipment, and a couple of letters on a piece of decorative wood.

[danno]

Poppycock.

Peacock actually.

[danno]

Name James Joyce already allocated to a 16m craft 25001231 EI DN 2

[hptmurphy]

I suppose this is a valid opinion, as is GTTC's,
What the hell is in a name anyway, maybe we should be discussing the qualities if the ships themselves[ weapon fit, speed, capability, etc, and not the 0.5 square meter or so of hull plating on either side close to the bow!

Thats the Pennant Number you have in mind.

All the rest has been laid out in the spec and will be tested on acceptance trials.

If the names are to be as declared so be it. Within a relative short period of time all fleet before the P50s will be retired and the traditions of the past will be long in the past.

Given all the ships acquired their own nicknames over the years by various crews, no doubt these will as well and it will be the crews and the morale aboard the ships that will count, not how or why they were named.

No one was over the moon about the name Eithne, but am proud to have serve on her.

Doesn't really matter.