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    Use of the word Sandbag

    Little mini poll: By way of liking or disliking this post.How many RDF members here think that the "S" word(a derogatory name for a reservist) is a term of endearment??
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Little mini poll: By way of liking or disliking this post.How many RDF members here think that the "S" word(a derogatory name for a reservist) is a term of endearment??
    Only people who take the RDF too seriously get all insulted by being called the "S word", we routinely call each other "F****** S words".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Little mini poll: By way of liking or disliking this post.How many RDF members here think that the "S" word(a derogatory name for a reservist) is a term of endearment??
    Depends on how it's said. Most of the time it's not derogatory.

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    Well I don't like it.
    Last edited by Docman; 1st November 2012 at 18:13.

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    The A holes who refer to Irish Solders as sandbags are doing s bag ira/sf lovers dirty work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    The A holes who refer to Irish Solders as sandbags are doing s bag ira/sf lovers dirty work.
    What about just baggers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docman View Post
    Well I don't like it.
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    From Wiki:

    A sandbag (floodbag) is a sack made of hessian/burlap, polypropylene or other materials that is filled with sand or soil and used for such purposes as flood control, military fortification, shielding glass windows in war zones and ballast.

    Advantages are that burlap and sand are inexpensive, and that the bags can be brought in empty and filled with local sand or soil.
    Nothing offensive about that really.

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    I would be quite happy to use a sandbag for any of the above quotes reasons

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    OK guys back on thread, it is about drill. By the way I have never heard someone use the word sandbag or bagger in any other way than in a derogatory way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    I have never heard someone use the word sandbag or bagger in any other way than in a derogatory way.
    Or was it that you just perceived it to be derogatory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnight oil View Post
    Or was it that you just perceived it to be derogatory?
    That is all that matters, the intention of the insulter does not matter.

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    MOD: I have enough of this crap, the use of the word sandbag to describe anything other than a bag that carries sand will result in a ban. This thread is now closed.

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    Sandbags at dawn

    MOD: Several posts removed from " Future of the Army Reserve-discuss" and thread closed again :(

    referring to us as sandbags to recruits all through basic training
    hmmm, I hope that doesn't happen with the recruits in my barracks, (i stress, if used in a derogatory fashion), within earshot of me, because whichever NCO mutters it will be knocked the f**k out in front of his "recruits", then they will all know just how effective a sandbag can be... and he can have my beret too as a token of my appreciation.
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    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Personally I don't think the term is anything apart from derogatory.

    But one former RDF unit even refer to themselves as "sandbags"

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    hmmm, I hope that doesn't happen with the recruits in my barracks, (i stress, if used in a derogatory fashion), within earshot of me, because whichever NCO mutters it will be knocked the f**k out in front of his "recruits", then they will all know just how effective a sandbag can be... and he can have my beret too as a token of my appreciation.
    It's just a word. If RDF can display proper deportment, competence and willingness to learn it will remove the use of the word. Attacking someone for using a word you deem offensive will just reinforce the stereotype. We call ourselves sandbags occasionally





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    Na, we refer to ourselves as baggers etc sometimes, and yes, theres a certain amount of namecalling, knicknaming, etc in the DF that comes as a given.

    however Ive heard from mates who've gone over the wall (into the PDF) that they were pretty much labeled as baggers from day one and it was sometimes used in such a way as to say that - not even a bagger could cock it up like that - or - even a bagger could make a better job of it - etc... although this years cadet class is something like 30% "baggers" so you rambo's are probably all doomed.

    were not all incompetents and some of us even iron our uniforms and polish our boots occasionally, hell we even remember to wear name tags, rank markings and - well would you believe it, I think thats a number one field dressing on my shoulder... however, ive witnessed even these basic traits lacking with some troops so can see where one could use it as the lowest common denominator in a comparison...

    What im talking about is, that if im in front of my own troops instructing them and overhear it being used - one can often hear PDF NCOs in the same vicinity, "instructing" the recruits - in an unsavoury manner, I would be pretty pi$$ed off and would have to follow up on it.
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    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    hmmm, I hope that doesn't happen with the recruits in my barracks, (i stress, if used in a derogatory fashion), within earshot of me, because whichever NCO mutters it will be knocked the f**k out in front of his "recruits", then they will all know just how effective a sandbag can be... and he can have my beret too as a token of my appreciation.
    It was said with emphasis when we walked past by a training nco to the pdf recruits and it was used in the "even a bagger couldn't fcuk it up that much" sense all through recruit training.
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    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

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    I heard a story years ago about an ARW selection course, lined up on Plunkett Square
    As a body of FCA troops marched by with 0.303s at the slope, one of the candidates
    smirked and muttered words to the effect of:

    "Look at those f***ing baggers with their wooden guns..."

    unfortunately for him, one of the ARW DSs heard him, stood in front of him and snarled:

    "I could blow your head off at 600 yards with that f***ing 'wooden gun' - fall out and grab your kit, you're binned..."

    No argument, just gone...

    A bit of two way respect will go a long way. To date, my experience of the PDF bods at my location ahs been nothing but positive
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    i,d imagine thats one of them urban legends

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    i,d imagine thats one of them urban legends
    Could be but it makes a good point regardless
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Could be but it makes a good point regardless
    about the gun or the rdf?????????????

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    The more I think about it, the more I have to say that in the military there will always be slagging, from REMFs to inter service rivalry.. just look across the water...

    if "bagger" is the worst thing someone can think of to call us, well its not really that bad i guess...

    we could always just start calling everyone else a "crap hat" ( at least those of you not in a green beret )

    note: funnily enough, this leaves out the most dangerous group of individuals too...
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    The more I think about it, the more I have to say that in the military there will always be slagging, from REMFs to inter service rivalry.. just look across the water...

    if "bagger" is the worst thing someone can think of to call us, well its not really that bad i guess...

    we could always just start calling everyone else a "crap hat" ( at least those of you not in a green beret )

    note: funnily enough, this leaves out the most dangerous group of individuals too...
    who the mp,s

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