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  • #16
    Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
    The RDF CANNOT be called out for ATCA tasks unless they are called out on permanent service during a state of emergency.
    So if there is a flood you will have to Volunteer your services just like other similer Voluntary organisations like the Civil Defence and RNLI have aways done.
    Fair point, hadn't thought about it that way.
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    • #17
      I've done ATCA on FTT

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kaiser View Post
        that might be disertion on wikipedia
        but in the idf
        first your absent and only after a longer period of time(not sure the amount of time) but its a couple of weeks your a deserter

        To prove desertion, you need to prove that the person had no intention of ever coming back, in essence it is very difficult to prove desertion, unless some actually says "and I am never coming back"

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        • #19
          Cutting through the shite.......


          s responsible for the condition of the driver that led to the crash?
          The driver / reservist is the person ultimately responsible.

          He should have declared himself unfit due to circumstances beyond his control. If there had been a mobilization order it could be used to mitigate his circumstances but if he knowingly volunteered, he must accept the responsibility.

          It has to be accepted that if persons want to serve as reservists, given the lack of employment protection and agreed protocols with the private sector ,given neither party are prepared to accommodate the needs of the reservist while in either role that the reservist is accepting full responsibility for any such issues himself.

          Damned if you do...damned if you don't!
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          • #20
            true
            then its down to your co.s discretion. unless its court marshal ..
            dev what atca have you done ?

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            • #21
              it'll be a reservist sending yez to the digger ! sauce for the goose etc. Reservists have done ATCP for donkeys there is no bar on it. Just because they don't do them now because of the politics. Some people have short memories. Genuine ATCP.

              And I'm not talking about the beat in a guardroom, BOS or O/O
              Last edited by trellheim; 28 November 2012, 22:04.
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              • #22
                If it was anything it would be absence.

                Originally posted by kaiser View Post
                dev what atca have you done ?
                Forest fire fighting, tasked by the correct authority (both civvy and DF), we were the closest asset.
                Last edited by DeV; 28 November 2012, 23:17.

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                • #23
                  Wonder if COs on the up will detail their units to do free work and in consequence free work will end up a criteria for courses/prom/posts etc.

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                  • #24
                    danno, doing stuff for free has always been a factor in getting promotion in the DF 9and plenty of other jobs), ie, being seen to do more than what was asked, after hours,etc,etc. Being left with no option but to do it for free is a cynical abuse of goodwill.

                    regards
                    GttC

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                    • #25
                      Probably a profile will emerge of the type of member who is most likely to fit in with the free regime and clones be the desired new/retained entrants (if ever any).Hope somebody realises there is a diff between ATCA and charity /social type activities.

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                      • #26
                        How does this actually work with the RNLI, does anyone know? Presume they're liable to get called out at some fairly unsocial hours.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by FoxtrotRK View Post
                          How does this actually work with the RNLI, does anyone know? Presume they're liable to get called out at some fairly unsocial hours.
                          I asked the same question myself last week on here but didn't get an answer so I looked into it online.
                          For a start they don't have employment protection or anything like it. Not all lifeboats have crew rotas on call 24/7 but some do which includes lifeboat station operations teams.
                          Almost all lifeboat crews and station operations teams are volunteers and don't get any pay for call outs or training. Some large lifeboat stations might employ full-time or part-time staff such as a Coxswain and mechanic.
                          Last edited by Rhodes; 30 November 2012, 01:05.

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                          • #28
                            The blanket exemption for the Defence Forces given in Act of 1997 is something that is questionable and there is the potential to challenge it in court. The same exemption was applied to the GardaĆ­, but on legal advice the European Work Time Directive was recently enacted as there was now opinion that the exemption was only designed to cover times of national emergency. The feeling was that there was the potential for a member who had been injured as a result of having insufficient rest could sue the state, or that their families could in the case of a death. Given that several GardaĆ­ had been killed or injured as a result of falling asleep while driving to or from work, the potential for such a claim was considered to be real. I would think there's now precedence for a similar defining of the exemption to be sought by the DF. There's also a need to define when the Act of 1997 would again apply to a reservist who's just finished a period of mandatory service.

                            In this case the reservist should be aware that he is accountable for his own actions & if he feels he is too tired to drive he shouldn't go into work. The arguments over who pays him are many, and in the absence of legislation would probably have to be sorted out in the labour court.

                            The moral of the story is never volunteer!
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                            • #29
                              Now that the poorly paid first secretaries have eliminated free-loading pseudo-volunteers they can get back to the old tradition of "Sure why do we need an army, everybody loves us".

                              The fact is, that if we could just lock all of the representative associations and civil servants into a small airless cupboard, block the door with the elephant of near hysteria, the Defence Forces could probably sort all of this out over time, especially if PDF units are responsible for the performance of their reserve components.

                              If all of the us and them crap championed by certain persons on both sides of the P/R divide is soundly ignored (hint: It's never the best examples of either side advocating it).

                              And a strategy of is adopted by everyone who doesn't need to drown themselves in a bucket of their own piss; then we can try and steer this one to a safe landing.

                              Please note that writings on this forum DO NOT INFLUENCE GOVERNMENT POLICY but it does GET READ AND REPEATED TO MEMBERS OF THE DF. So engage your brains, and note that all of the emotional shouting matches on here only hurt everybody involved... unless they're a pile of sh*t and why would you want to give ammunition to piles of sh*t?





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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                                I asked the same question myself last week on here but didn't get an answer so I looked into it online.
                                For a start they don't have employment protection or anything like it. Not all lifeboats have crew rotas on call 24/7 but some do which includes lifeboat station operations teams.
                                Almost all lifeboat crews and station operations teams are volunteers and don't get any pay for call outs or training. Some large lifeboat stations might employ full-time or part-time staff such as a Coxswain and mechanic.
                                Not sure how that'd be immediately translatable to the RDF.

                                In the event of the RDF being given a greater role in ATCA, perhaps ask them to contribute to a rota to supplement any ATCA efforts their PDF parent units are involved in, on a voluntary basis? Could be with a target of even just a section, or individual bodies?

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