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    US marines will put Irish troop carriers to the test

    AN Irish-developed armour-ed vehicle has been selected for testing by the US Marine Corps which is seeking nearly 600 new armoured personnel carriers.

    The 8X8 Terrex armoured vehicle was developed in Ireland by world leaders in vehicle and suspension design, Timoney Technology of Navan, for the Singapore Technologies Kinetics company.

    One of the most modern armoured vehicles in production, it has exceptional mobility and agility using a Timoney suspension system.

    The vehicle, which has a V shaped hull to protect against mine blasts, can carry up to 14 troops or 11 tonnes of cargo internally.

    It underwent initial trials in Ireland and the UK before being shipped to Singapore for evaluation.

    It is now produced there and the Singapore Army has bought 135 vehicles, while another version is produced in Turkey by Otokar.

    The vehicle is one of four that has been selected by the US Marine Corps and manufacturers have been given $3.5m (€2.6m) each to deliver a vehicle for testing which will run until August 2013.

    The marines need 579 personnel carriers to fill the gap left by another vehicle – the so-called expeditionary fighting vehicle – which was cancelled after $3bn (€2.25bn) was spent in developmental funding.

    The contenders in the trials are Lockheed Martin with their Finnish Patria vehicle; Bae Systems with a 24-tonne Italian Superlav; General Dynamics; and Science Applications International Corp, a US-based company which is putting forward the Terrex vehicle.

    Timoney Technology has vast experience in designing armoured vehicles and suspension systems.

    One of its most successful has been the Bushmaster troop carrier, with hundreds produced in Australia by a licensee.

    The vehicle has saved the lives of countless soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as it was one of the first designed to withstand mine and improvised explosive device (IED) attacks.

    Timoney, which designed and built armoured vehicles for the Irish Army in the Seventies, is also involved in developing the Crusher unmanned vehicle for the US military.

    Last year, Singapore Technologies Engineering increased its shareholding in Timoney Holdings from 25pc to 27.4pc.

  • #2
    Interesting article from Shepard today: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...behind-terrex/

    Good to see Timoney is still building, even if only prototypes, in Navan.

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    • #3
      Hopefully they make a bid for the proposed APC replacement. It would be nice to have irish soldiers operating overseas from Irish designed APCs.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #4
        The MOWAGs may not necessarily be replaced

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        • #5
          There's a good few companies that would be able to produce sub assemblies here if we wanted to, our religious following of EU tender rules kinda rules out any industrial offsets. Politicians seem to think that call centres and financial services companies are "industry" when they don't make a ****ing thing and can move to another tax haven at the drop of a hat.
          Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
            There's a good few companies that would be able to produce sub assemblies here if we wanted to, our religious following of EU tender rules kinda rules out any industrial offsets.


            There could have been plenty of work from offsets into Irish based industry but unlike other EU countries Ireland never went down that road. Unfortunately when they did there was political interference and legal action resulted.

            Politicians seem to think that call centres and financial services companies are "industry" when they don't make a ****ing thing and can move to another tax haven at the drop of a hat.
            They are .... tertiary/service industry, the higher proportion the more developed your economy

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            • #7
              werent' the old ones a bag of ham .... the Piranha design is fairly std these days ?
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • #8
                they may have been shite but the design sold well enough; Behrmann built variations on the theme as the BDX. Timoney probably made more money on suspension design and sales than any from AFV sales.

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                • #9
                  I would love to see again Irish soldiers again in Irish design APC's. The Terrex has made it onto the final shortlist for the USMC contract and has a good chance to win. But it is not only there that Timoney have provided the design there is also the CM32 family of afv's built in Taiwan. The mobile gun variant would be a great replacement for the retired AML90's or?

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                  • #10
                    Some détails on the often over-looked CM32 (especially its price)

                    http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2671.html

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      The MOWAGs may not necessarily be replaced
                      If they are still in service as long as the Panhard APCs were I will be very disappointed.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • #12
                        At a Euro 1 million plus a mid-life upgrade per vehicle you can bet your ass they will be in service until they fall apart

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                        • #13
                          At a Euro 1 million plus a mid-life upgrade per vehicle you can bet your ass they will be in service until they fall apart
                          Yep ...
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • #14
                            Note WP15 doesn't say they will be replaced (necessarily)

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                            • #15
                              Is WP15 your new bible?
                              6.3
                              The current fleet of Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs) and associated variants are essential for a broad range of operations. In order to ensure continued force protection, a study is currently underway to identify whether a life-extension programme, replacement programme or another alternative, is the most cost effective option..
                              Page 65

                              10.4.2
                              Equipment acquisition has had to be progressed over longer time frames than is desirable. This has required the prioritisation of equipment that is essential to maintaining ongoing operational outputs to the detriment of contingency requirements. There is a continued need to provide for essential equipment replacement as existing equipment reaches the end of its useful life. Not securing the funding to replace this essential equipment will result in key capabilities being eroded. This also has implications for force protection and the health and safety of personnel
                              Page 117

                              At the end of the Term of the recent White Paper, some of the Mowags will be older than the soldiers being carried within. The vehicles will also have spent a lot of time working in a high tempo overseas deployment.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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