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  • Some NS vehicles have gone electric.
    The ARW have a history of getting vehicles suitable for all tasks they carry out, not necessarily from the Govt Supplies catalog. Business cases are not the ark of the covenant they once were.
    The F350 was a specialised vehicle, more akin to an AFV purchase. They recently got ACMAT Tactical vehicles to back up the F350. Nobody else in the DF has used acmat for years. The suggestion they would get a Ford ranger is thankfully not the case. Unless that is they seek a 4x4 high end passenger vehicle suitable for pulling horseboxes....Anything is possible.
    My dept replaced a 1998 Land Rover Discovery Commercial with a 2016 Pajero Commercial. The other option we were given was a Ford Kuga commercial. We still operate a 2007 Kia Sorento.
    GS just got a batch of Hyundai Tuscons.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • MOD: Back on topic folks.Plenty of other threads about DF Vehicles.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
        Govt considering proposal over sending army rangers to Mali



        https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201...y-ranger-wing/
        Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
        The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
        There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

        Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!

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        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
          The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
          There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

          Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
          It hasn't been publicly stated yet what mission they will be deployed to but it should be quite obvious to most what it will be.
          There is other Europen Special Forces in Mali which should give a clue.

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          • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
            Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
            The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
            There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

            Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
            One of the three roles of SOF.
            1/ Direct action
            2/ Special Reconnaissance
            3/ Military Assistance

            Read the article about the ARW in the link below and you will have answered your own question.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
              Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
              The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
              There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

              Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
              Could be with MINUSMA, could be EUTM force protection, could be training training Malian SF

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              • Article on the Canadian presence in Mali:


                Canada’s Task Force Mali deployed to the country in July 2018 and consists of three CH-147F Chinooks, five CH-146 Griffon helicopters, and approximately 250 personnel in total....

                ...Unfortunately, the Canada has insisted that its contribution is temporary and will end after a year, as planned, in July 2019.....

                So far, it remains unclear who might replace the Canadians in Mali. There’s no guarantee that whoever might step in to take their place will bring their own Chinooks and be able to provide anywhere near the capability the CH-147Fs have offered peacekeepers for the past six months.
                Well, alas, the DF wont be able to provide Chinooks...
                Last edited by pym; 12 January 2019, 23:40.

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                • Deputy Foreign Editor Colm Ó Mongáin reports from Mali where Ireland is set to deploy its next peacekeeping detachment.

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                  • Why such a small deployment?
                    Some Irish Defence analysts are suggesting this is half the minimum requirement for a useful mission.

                    Don Lavery for example.







                    Unless that is, the teams will operate as part of another nations ORBAT.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • 12 or less need no Dail Approval.Just the Cabinet and the UN Mandate.
                      If they do go as part of MINUSMA they will be embedded into another contingent.Possibly the Dutch.
                      Just like in Timor.
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • It could be say 2-4 close protection teams for VIPs, could be embedded with another, could be a training element for Malian SF

                        Or it could be the media are wrong

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          It could be say 2-4 close protection teams for VIPs, could be embedded with another, could be a training element for Malian SF

                          Or it could be the media are wrong
                          Or you could just stop guessing when you do not know

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                          • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                            Or you could just stop guessing when you do not know
                            And neither does the media

                            They can’t say it isn’t enough when they don’t know what the tasking is

                            It would be sufficient for some jobs but far from all

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                            • A senior RTÉ journalist would have got an in-depth briefing from did/do press office before writing article. As for the size of mission they’ll imbed with another nations special forces company, and it will have to go through Dail. Interesting enough along with special forces the other ground units on the mission are Istar tf similar to the ones we have for eubg deployment.

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                              • Im pretty sure that ARW go overseas a LOT without this much noise, if were being told about it, theres political gain in the telling.
                                "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                                "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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