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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post

    Time to upgrade their veciles though. 15 year old Ford F350s just won't cut it any more.
    Did the "expansion" of the Wing ever happen, given modern security issues how many could be sent while holding an adequate reserve (just thinking out loud not asking for details).

    As for the F350's a fair point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Did the "expansion" of the Wing ever happen, given modern security issues how many could be sent while holding an adequate reserve (just thinking out loud not asking for details).

    As for the F350's a fair point.
    Probably best not answered here, but the age of the vehicles is a good point, replacements would probably run to a couple of days of leo's pay..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    Probably best not answered here, but the age of the vehicles is a good point, replacements would probably run to a couple of days of leo's pay..
    Agreed, I didn't want or expect any details, just thinking out loud I suppose.

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    Govt policy on 4x4s for all Departments is that anything over 10 years old should be replaced, as soon as, unless the operator can make a justifiable case for retention. A friend of mine who is responsible for the small quantity of vehicles in his very small unit of one Department, was told exactly this when he was told to turn in his 14 year old Trooper, which was in excellent condition, when an audit was done on his vehicles. He was told that it was Ford Ranger or nothing, unless he could prove his case. Specialist operators (DF, ESB, Coillte and so on) have a better case to get the vehicle they want instead of having a Ford Ranger imposed on them. I expect the ARW can make a strong case on a more direct route than burrowing through the bureaucracy....

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    Wait until they are all told to go electric

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    Some NS vehicles have gone electric.
    The ARW have a history of getting vehicles suitable for all tasks they carry out, not necessarily from the Govt Supplies catalog. Business cases are not the ark of the covenant they once were.
    The F350 was a specialised vehicle, more akin to an AFV purchase. They recently got ACMAT Tactical vehicles to back up the F350. Nobody else in the DF has used acmat for years. The suggestion they would get a Ford ranger is thankfully not the case. Unless that is they seek a 4x4 high end passenger vehicle suitable for pulling horseboxes....Anything is possible.
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    MOD: Back on topic folks.Plenty of other threads about DF Vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    Govt considering proposal over sending army rangers to Mali



    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201...y-ranger-wing/
    Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
    The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
    There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

    Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
    The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
    There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

    Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
    It hasn't been publicly stated yet what mission they will be deployed to but it should be quite obvious to most what it will be.
    There is other Europen Special Forces in Mali which should give a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
    The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
    There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

    Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
    One of the three roles of SOF.
    1/ Direct action
    2/ Special Reconnaissance
    3/ Military Assistance

    Read the article about the ARW in the link below and you will have answered your own question.
    http://data.axmag.com/data/201601/20...ASH/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Why the need for the ARW on a training mission?
    The EUTM is a purely non-combative deployment to develop local forces to ensure security.
    There is also the UN Peacekeeping force MINUSMA but we are currently not part of it.

    Given the specialist nature of the ARW what would be the mission in Mali? It cannot be to just provide base security nor that they have not been deployed for 10yrs!
    Could be with MINUSMA, could be EUTM force protection, could be training training Malian SF

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    Article on the Canadian presence in Mali:
    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...oyment-in-mali

    Canada’s Task Force Mali deployed to the country in July 2018 and consists of three CH-147F Chinooks, five CH-146 Griffon helicopters, and approximately 250 personnel in total....

    ...Unfortunately, the Canada has insisted that its contribution is temporary and will end after a year, as planned, in July 2019.....

    So far, it remains unclear who might replace the Canadians in Mali. There’s no guarantee that whoever might step in to take their place will bring their own Chinooks and be able to provide anywhere near the capability the CH-147Fs have offered peacekeepers for the past six months.
    Well, alas, the DF wont be able to provide Chinooks...
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    Why such a small deployment?
    Some Irish Defence analysts are suggesting this is half the minimum requirement for a useful mission.

    Don Lavery for example.







    Unless that is, the teams will operate as part of another nations ORBAT.
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    12 or less need no Dail Approval.Just the Cabinet and the UN Mandate.
    If they do go as part of MINUSMA they will be embedded into another contingent.Possibly the Dutch.
    Just like in Timor.
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    It could be say 2-4 close protection teams for VIPs, could be embedded with another, could be a training element for Malian SF

    Or it could be the media are wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    It could be say 2-4 close protection teams for VIPs, could be embedded with another, could be a training element for Malian SF

    Or it could be the media are wrong
    Or you could just stop guessing when you do not know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Or you could just stop guessing when you do not know
    And neither does the media

    They can’t say it isn’t enough when they don’t know what the tasking is

    It would be sufficient for some jobs but far from all

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    A senior RTÉ journalist would have got an in-depth briefing from did/do press office before writing article. As for the size of mission they’ll imbed with another nations special forces company, and it will have to go through Dail. Interesting enough along with special forces the other ground units on the mission are Istar tf similar to the ones we have for eubg deployment.

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    Im pretty sure that ARW go overseas a LOT without this much noise, if were being told about it, theres political gain in the telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    Im pretty sure that ARW go overseas a LOT without this much noise, if were being told about it, theres political gain in the telling.
    Could be European related or for diplomatic efforts like the UN seat campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Could be European related or for diplomatic efforts like the UN seat campaign.
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