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    Mali.

    8 irish soldiers will be participating in an EU mission in Mali. They will be Jointly deployed with 18 British Soldiers.

    Details to follow.


    (as it is a new mission, I thought it deserved its own thread here, away from the French one).

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    Good to see a joint op, even if it's small to begin with - it's a positive step.

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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29067945.html

    13 FEBRUARY 2013

    Irish and British troops are joining forces for the first time to train military units in war-torn Mali.

    The joint deployment will be led by the British and will be part of an overall European Union military training mission.

    Mr Shatter said: "This will be the first occasion there has been a formal joint deployment under the UN mandate of mission involving our defence forces and the UK."

    Mr Shatter confirmed the mission after bilateral talks with British Defence Secretary Philip Hammond in Dublin, where European defence ministers are holding an informal meeting as part as Ireland's presidency of the EU.

    It will include armed military training as well as human rights issues and the protection of civilians.

    Mr Shatter said the military co-operation, almost two years after the Queen's historic visit to Ireland, was a further sign of closer ties between the two nations.

    "We would see this as yet another step along the road of the development and continuing broadening and enhancing of relationships with the United Kingdom," he added.

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    The joint deployment will be led by the British
    Oh no.
    RGJ is gonna have a field day about this.....

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    BBC news reporting that the British contingent will be drawn from 1 R IRISH.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21450100

    Meanwhile, Irish defence minister Alan Shatter confirmed on Wednesday that 18 Royal Irish soldiers are going to Mali along with eight from the Irish Defence Forces as part of a European Union training mission
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    6-8 DF personnel according to DOD press release

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Oh no.
    RGJ is gonna have a field day about this.....
    no - i won't Goldie - credit where credit is due - the Irish DF are proportionally providing much greater representation than we are (initially anyhow).

    good luck to the lads and well done - lets see more of this.
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    Good luck to all involved
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    Irish Defence Forces personnel to deploy to Mali as part of joint infantry training team with UK Armed Forces
    http://www.eu2013.ie/news/news-items...defenceprmali/

    Good article worth a read.
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    Good luck to all involved.

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    Indeed, Good luck to them, soumds like a great mission to be on.

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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Good luck to all involved
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Royal Irish land in war-torn Mali
    Published on 28/03/2013 09:54
    TROOPS from 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment have arrived in Mali to help train local soldiers fighting Islamist extremists in the west African state.
    UK personnel are part of a European Union training mission to help Malian armed forces.
    Ministers have consistently stressed that British troops will not be involved in a combat role.
    In February, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond announced that the UK would contribute 40 personnel to the training mission.
    Announcing their arrival in Mali, Mr Hammond said: “Through this mission we will support the Malian government to counter the violent insurgency that has not only disrupted their country, but which also poses a clear threat to our national interests here in the UK.
    “British support to the mission in Mali, including assistance with training, logistics and surveillance, highlights the impressive flexibility of our armed forces.
    “British troops will not deploy in a combat role but, through training the Malian armed forces, we can assist in restoring order and denying terrorists a safe haven in the country.”
    Some 21 personnel from 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment arrived in the Malian capital Bamako on Tuesday and will be joined by troops from 45 Commando Royal Marines and 29 Commando Regiment Royal Artillery.
    They will also be joined by six personnel from The Irish Defence Force, who travelled to Mali on the same aircraft.
    Major Simon Holden, from 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment, who is commanding officer of the Infantry Training team, said: “The Irish Defence Force is well-versed in training and mentoring roles, and it will be a privilege to command them.
    “We have conducted several weeks of pre-deployment training together at Ternhill barracks to prepare for the tour. It is an historic occasion.
    “As the officer in command of the infantry training team I will be responsible for orchestrating the training of Malian troops working alongside the French, Czech and Danish forces, as part of the EU mission to bring stability to the region.”
    The training mission, under the command of French Brigadier General Francois Lecointre, is expected to continue for about 15 months and involve around 500 staff from 22 EU member states.
    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/hea...mali-1-4944508

    I hope the deployment goes well and my best wishes to all involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Inman View Post
    Nice touch British soldiers Irish soldiers - French carrier or is it? :-)

    Someone somewhere has a sense of humour .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_Airpost
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    EUTM webpage.
    Irish and Brits working together.Start of something good I hope.
    http://www.eutmmali.eu/?p=423
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Thank God the French reporting is accurate!. Normally their geography of this part of the world (these islands) is abysmal, they think we are still part of the UK even after 91 years. Their confusion seems to have lifted now. I had feared the worst and that this new Irish/British initiative would have been beyond their grasp, in fact beyond their comprehension.

    Don't get me wrong, I have great time for the French and respect for their military and have soldiered with them but many if them needed a heads up in this regard as indeed did quite a few Americans.

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    Its about perspective. I was struck when I spent some time there how their version of history is not quite the same as ours. For example, as far as we were taught, ww1 startd in 1914 and ended in 1918. To them it started in 1871 and ended in 1919.
    To them there was no "French Resistance", instead there was the Maquis.
    Their world view is inward, and more concerned with its former territories, than the history and politics of its northern neighbours.

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    Spot on Goldie Fish. Francophone land only is of interest. Some think you need to cross the channel in order to get to Ireland.

    Mind you the more I think of it the more I realsie that they are not alone in this thinking. You would wonder about what External and then Foreign Affairs have been doing to
    project our image since '22. I remember a few years ago seeing a picture of Connemara splashed across the cover of a magazine called 'British Heriatge'. Needless to say I received no reply when I cribbed!

    You might also be surprised (maybe not) how many in the UK are similarly clueless thinking that Dublin is in the UK. Do not even go to innaccuracies such as so called 'Southern' Ireland. That really explains the political geography of Malin Head. This info they could not cope with.

    As for the 'British Isles' term!! This may raise some objections but it is Government and UN policy since 1955 that this term does not refer to Ireland and is legally as archaic as referring to the USA as the 'Colonies'.

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    ECOWAS force in Mali is 'incapable': US official
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    WASHINGTON — Troops from the Economic Community of West African States deployed in Mali are "completely incapable" and are not "up to the task" of fighting Islamist militants, a senior Pentagon official said Tuesday.
    Michael Sheehan, assistant secretary of defense for special operations, offered his harsh criticism of the West African forces at a congressional hearing in which he praised French troops for rolling back insurgents in Mali.
    "Right now, the ECOWAS force isn't capable at all. What you saw there, it is a completely incapable force. That has to change," Sheehan told a Senate Armed Services subcommittee on emerging threats.
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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...01f73afca9.441

    It could be a long deployment for the EU training mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Inman View Post
    ...WASHINGTON — Troops from the Economic Community of West African States deployed in Mali are "completely incapable" and are not "up to the task" of fighting Islamist militants, a senior Pentagon official said Tuesday...
    and in other news, rain makes shit wet...

    you're absolutely right about it being a long (indefinate?) training mission - and if anyone thinks that the French - and the rest of the EU countries that think this is important - have done the last of the 'vanguard' fighting, let alone support, they've got an other thing coming...

    a mate from 29 who has been in Mali on the Artillery training mission - a parallel job to the UK/RoI Inf Trg mission - when asked how it was going, replied 'its like watching a retard trying to **** a doorknob'. he was not sanguine about the chances of success - and obviously he's seen 'Dodgeball'.

    i hope you lot have got that desert/arid DPM kit sorted out...

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    From RTE.ie this morning;

    Govt to consider Mali peacekeeping force
    The Government is to give serious consideration to members of the Irish Defence Forces serving in any UN peacekeeping force which may be created to assist Mali.

    Minister for Defence Alan Shatter told a meeting of his EU colleagues in Luxembourg that it was important for to have a coherent plan in which member states had a greater level of participation in such missions.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0423/385...keeping-force/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
    Do you know what would be really great? Some dust filters for helicopters.
    In case anyone is watching... Barrier filtration kits for AW139

    http://www.aero-access.com/products/...tion-Kits.html
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    Belgium deploys 2 A 109 to mali in the medevac role.

    Given that there are only six helicopters, I would have thought that a contribution ala chad would be more likely.

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