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  • #46
    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    Is Rathkeale near the sea.?
    well it wouldnt take that long for it to be come seaside if they thought they would get scrap value

    Originally posted by Aidan View Post
    Well, y'know the heli deck on Eithne? Well, first you get some chains ...
    would probably be the fastest she moved in years lol

    Originally posted by Laners View Post
    Cut them up into little pieces and mounted on an block of wood as little souveniers for the mantle piece , paper weights etc .
    probably make more money that way
    who threw the smoke in the van

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    • #47
      The UN through the IMO are trying to increase patrol capacity in the nations bordering the High Risk Area in the Arabian Sea. It would be entirely appropriate to donate all of the retiring OPVs to this cause. It would help in the fight against piracy, which is damaging our future as a trading nation, it might be possible to include it against our foreign aid targets and it would be a good thing to do just for the hell of it.

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      • #48
        You are NOT alone Silver. I'd suggest L.E. Eithne for preservation (when her time comes) The last ship built in Verolme Dockyard, she is a Cork girl and is worthy of being preserved. I think she could pay for her upkeep with a little imagination. Of course she could be used as a Prison ship for the more "bolshy" contributors to the IMO.

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        • #49
          Also, to be fair to the former users, the P20 types were not overly technical or maintenance intensive. The engines were operated by mechanics, not engineers (though engineers did supervise). Any potential future user would not need a large skill base of highly qualified technicians to keep the ships operating.
          The same could not be said for former USN or RN warships, even though the job they end up doing is the same.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
            Ahem..Collins Barracks Museum..Ahem
            The exhibition in Collins Barracks is just that, an exhibition. Nothing remotely like the concept of a military museum.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Flintstone View Post
              The UN through the IMO are trying to increase patrol capacity in the nations bordering the High Risk Area in the Arabian Sea. It would be entirely appropriate to donate all of the retiring OPVs to this cause. It would help in the fight against piracy, which is damaging our future as a trading nation, it might be possible to include it against our foreign aid targets and it would be a good thing to do just for the hell of it.
              I doubt they would be wanted/up to the task, as has been discussed here on another thread.

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              • #52
                Thank You.
                I appear to the only Irish person on here who thinks like/agrees with you.

                Preservation would be ideal but as has been proven in the UK, only the most unique vessels survive and given their maritime heritage its hard to select what should be preserved.

                In this case you have to remember that PVs were designed to accommadate 45 people at a push and when open to the public were very limited with access restricted to the upper decks.

                They are not feasible as museum type ships. People don't want to just stand and look at ships as they are prepared to do with AFVs and aircraft, they are under the impression they are accessible...This is not HMS Belfast, this is a a PV with a history that very few beyond former Naval people and a few enthusiast have an interest in, never mind pay to visit,,Take Eithne for Instance, access to the tween decks is limited from the QMS lobby or the hanger...akin to trying to get people into the Alwee caves via a Phone box, down a very steeply incline stairs ...as all stairs are.After that every thing is very confined...

                Its not something a lot of people can even access....the limitations are huge....there fore expensive, there fore limited.

                To run a single ship as a museum would far exceed the running of the entire national museum at Collins Barracks.

                Some years ago the RN stop publiscizing Sinkex or naming the ships involved as it was found that it generated to much adverse publictity ...from the former crew who still had an affinity to a ship.
                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                • #53
                  I doubt they would be wanted/up to the task, as has been discussed here on another thread
                  .

                  Their low tech spec and ease of maintanence would have the likes of Kenya or the Seychelles jumping for joy if they were gifted to them.They are one of very few low tech purpose designed patrol platforms still surviving.

                  Considering the RN still had WW2 vessels in commission and reserve up to the late 1970s and even reactivated 50s vintage destroyers as replacement for Falklands loses, ships which were not designed for extended patrolling, these are the ideal patrol ship for an emerging nation.


                  It would be far more noble to have them patrol off Africa that to have some shower of gougers ditch drinking in their rotting hulks after some failed effort to preserve them.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Flintstone View Post
                    The UN through the IMO are trying to increase patrol capacity in the nations bordering the High Risk Area in the Arabian Sea. It would be entirely appropriate to donate all of the retiring OPVs to this cause. It would help in the fight against piracy, which is damaging our future as a trading nation, it might be possible to include it against our foreign aid targets and it would be a good thing to do just for the hell of it.
                    Excellent suggestion!

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                    • #55
                      To the folks talking about keeping a vessel and how we've lost so much of our military heritage:

                      If you're committed to saving one of them & keeping them for posterity - please work towards drawing a realistic plan of paying the NS for one and the annual cost of maintenance & berthing.

                      Otherwise it's just talk.

                      I'd love to see one saved, I'll donate €100 and if there's a thousand others - we might be on to something - but the reality is, I think, there's not another thousand.

                      And if there is, will they be around next year? The year after?

                      If not, what happens then?

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                      • #56
                        There isn't anything up on etenders about the sale?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                          Also, to be fair to the former users, the P20 types were not overly technical or maintenance intensive. The engines were operated by mechanics, not engineers (though engineers did supervise). Any potential future user would not need a large skill base of highly qualified technicians to keep the ships operating.
                          The same could not be said for former USN or RN warships, even though the job they end up doing is the same.
                          Anyone consider a Asgard 3 type of useage albeit motorised.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by danno View Post
                            Anyone consider a Asgard 3 type of useage albeit motorised.
                            The whole idea of asgard II was she had sails. That was where the teamwork was built. All hands were required on deck to get under sail, or even to make a course change. Hard to justify that on a motor vessel....unless you replace the engine with oars...


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #59
                              The Swedish Navy donated one of their Fast Attack Craft to the Maritime Museum in Stockholm, where there is a fleet of volunteer-maintained ships on public display, very near the wonderful "Vasa" museum. The FAC is kept operational, except for the fact that it's missile boxes are welded shut and it's main gun has had it's breech locked. When it is not tied up and open to the public, it is available for hire for films and believe it or not, parties and birthdays and corporate events. it has two gas turbine engines so it's thirsty so it's not cheap to hire but it can be done. Apart from that, it is still used as a training vessel by the Navy,(playing the enemy), who pay a nominal sum to the Museum to do so, and who provide spares and fuel and servicing and manning by fulltime SN personnel. as for the preserved ships, in effect, the money generated by the "Vasa" pays for their upkeep.

                              regards
                              GttC

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                              • #60
                                DAIL ANSWERS Tuesday 14th May 2013.

                                Naval Service Vessels

                                494. Deputy Andrew Doyle asked the Minister for Defence if he will outline the projected decommissioning dates of each of the current fleet of vessels belonging to the Irish Naval Service; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [22885/13]

                                Minister for Defence (Deputy Alan Shatter): It is intended to decommission the L.É. Emer in September 2013 and the L.É Aoife in September 2014. These dates correspond to the need for the Naval Service to be in a position to crew the two new replacement ships which are currently being built. The replacement ships are scheduled for delivery in early 2014 and 2015. There are no plans at present to decommission any of the remaining ships in the fleet.

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