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    Future of soon-to-be retired OPV's?

    With two OPV's due to be retired within the coming years, what will happen to them after they are retired?

    My sister and her family visited a NS ship during a recent open day and were informed that the two OPV's will be
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    A. Donated (sold?) to Somalia for pirate patrols,
    B. Sunk and used as diving wrecks.

    Now while I agree with helping Somalia fight pirates, I dont agree with sinking one or both of the OPV's to be
    used as a diving wrecks?!

    What I would suggest to the Minister is as follows -

    A. Donate one OPV to Somalia
    B. Retain one OPV to be used as a floating museum/tourist attraction
    (as in the case of HMS Belfast on the Thames in London, or various similar 'museum ships/submarines' I visited
    in Sydney and Melbourne in 2004).

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    While museum ships are a noble idea, they cost a fortune to maintain, and after a while, footfall will reduce dramatically. Usually when more funding is required. The amount of museum ships that are currently facing the breakers is evidence of this. There is more museum ships being scrapped every year than there are ships becoming museum ships. Even the USN struggles to keep museum ships. Most good intentioned historic groups soon lose interest when the rising cost of maintenance comes round each year.

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    It would be nice to keep one of them, especially as they were built in Ireland and the reality is, we're not going to see another ship built here.

    But it's hard to argue with the economic reality that Goldie lays out - and I just can't see the money being made available for its upkeep.

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    somewhat ignominious perhaps - especially given that they'll be last ships built in Ireland - but does not at least one of them have a role as a (soon not to be) floating target?

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    Sinkex (well offshore)for one and dive wreck (inshore) for another.

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    Dive wreck for one, dismantle the other [here in Ireland].
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    Is there a breakers yard in Ireland that could cope with ships?

    Sinkex with what. The only people that could sink a ship would be a NS clearance diving team.

    Oh yes we could sell them. Lotta of third world Navies buy this type of vessel psecifically. Bangladesh bought all the RNs Island and Castle class wich are not to dissimilar to the PVs.

    Preservation is a waste of money and time as over time funding is withdrawn and the ships decline and become hazaradous and an embarrasment.Former crew relive their memories with the ship mates, not the ships.

    Yes its nice to visit L.E. Emer and show your kids where you gave a week throwing up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Is there a breakers yard in Ireland that could cope with ships?

    Sinkex with what. The only people that could sink a ship would be a NS clearance diving team.

    Oh yes we could sell them. Lotta of third world Navies buy this type of vessel psecifically. Bangladesh bought all the RNs Island and Castle class wich are not to dissimilar to the PVs.

    Preservation is a waste of money and time as over time funding is withdrawn and the ships decline and become hazaradous and an embarrasment.Former crew relive their memories with the ship mates, not the ships.

    Yes its nice to visit L.E. Emer and show your kids where you gave a week throwing up!
    If the range is great enough could they put 40/57/76mm into the waterline?

    The 20mm surely must be able to depress that far?

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    Murph, if a 57 or 76 couldn't sink one, then they have no business being on a naval vessel! You don't need a proper shipyard to scrap them. Just tow them up the Shannon until they ground, as near as possible to Rathkeale and the "Alternative Lifestyle" crowd will reduce them to oil stains in short order, your Honour, Boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    ...Sinkex with what...
    57/76mm ships main armament?

    PC-9M with rockets?

    105mm Light Gun?

    Javelin ATGW?

    if the Irish military can't sink a 1000ton OPV that won't be shooting back, what was it planning to do if the Russians came looking to take Shannon?

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    Call the british QRF over?
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    Call the british QRF over?
    we've got rid of Sea Eagle - your problem now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    57/76mm ships main armament?

    PC-9M with rockets?

    105mm Light Gun?

    Javelin ATGW?

    if the Irish military can't sink a 1000ton OPV that won't be shooting back, what was it planning to do if the Russians came looking to take Shannon?
    And a barge full of .5s and GMGs imagine the craic that would be had with half the df shooting at it!
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    Everybody it's talking about sinking the ships. Do they not have some residual value? Even if it only scrappage surely we could get something

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    Dismantling them here should not be a real problem, as I recall they are about the size of ocean going trawlers, I am sure a few of them have been taken apart here, current scrap prices make it worth while, if they were sold it would be at the same wasteful giveaway prices that the Dauphins and the AIII's went for, very easy to spend/waste other peoples money, ask any politican.
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    What about retaining one of them at least and extending its life in the basin for NSR use? I dont know much about NSR or the costs associated with extending their lives, but is that not even closely a consideration, even at MA level?
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    What about retaining one of them at least and extending its life in the basin for NSR use? I dont know much about NSR or the costs associated with extending their lives, but is that not even closely a consideration, even at MA level?
    problem i've heard about increasing the number of ships is you then go above a flotila ,hence needing to appoint an admiral (open to correction), as well as that the nsr is down to something like 200 bodies, mandays and even bodies wont be available to keep it a float

    i'm in favour of sinking as well let the rangers/navy diver sink one and the air corp the other put in a location that is deep enough to stop the rookie divers go down but not the well trained ,thus reducing any chance of money hungry idots looking for compo if injured from anything with the ship


    best training is to do as close to the real thing as possible
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    I've had a great idea, crew one with FFers, property developers and bankers...THEN conduct a sinkex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    I've had a great idea, crew one with FFers, property developers and bankers...THEN conduct a sinkex.
    one slight change fg lab greens sf as well
    did i miss any other than indo's
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapper View Post
    one slight change fg lab greens sf as well
    did i miss any other than indo's
    Are you suggesting the technical group deserve to live? I'll donate my own boat to transport them to the sinking area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Are you suggesting the technical group deserve to live? I'll donate my own boat to transport them to the sinking area.
    i forgot about them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Everybody it's talking about sinking the ships. Do they not have some residual value? Even if it only scrappage surely we could get something
    HMG got about £12m for Invincible at 20,000 tonnes - at 1000 tonnes the scrap value of the OPV wouldn't be worth the cost of the admin of processing the cheque. you'd actually get better value by anchoring them somewhere where you could use the DF's heavy weapons on them.

    could you use one of them as a firefighting/CQB/damage control platform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    could you use one of them as a firefighting/CQB/damage control platform?
    until it sinks
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    TBH the best hope appears to be getting a cheque from the EU towards the cost of P62, in return for donating the P20's & a training mission to Somalia (or the like).

    If one of them is kept knocking around Cobh as a training vessel, the DoF will say "sure, you don't need a replacement, you've already got your 8th ship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Everybody it's talking about sinking the ships. Do they not have some residual value? Even if it only scrappage surely we could get something
    If they were scrapped, the taxpayer gets money for them once.

    Sink them, and turn them into dive sites, and the exchequer return (eventually) goes on and on and on. Ecologically, sinking the vessels makes sense as they encourage fish to take residence there (although there is debate as to whether or not its just fish moving in from another site) and that, in turn, promotes wreck fishing etc
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