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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post

    could you use one of them as a firefighting/CQB/damage control platform?
    Don't need to. There are far better, more controllable, firefighting/damage control modules in NMCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    HMG got about £12m for Invincible at 20,000 tonnes - at 1000 tonnes the scrap value of the OPV wouldn't be worth the cost of the admin of processing the cheque. you'd actually get better value by anchoring them somewhere where you could use the DF's heavy weapons on them.

    could you use one of them as a firefighting/CQB/damage control platform?
    £600,000 at that rate (not a small sum)

    Could but it would be safer to use a state of the art simulator that is already there

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    TBH the best hope appears to be getting a cheque from the EU towards the cost of P62, in return for donating the P20's & a training mission to Somalia (or the like).
    Not a bad idea at all!

    Is the EU part funding them already?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steamy Window View Post
    If they were scrapped, the taxpayer gets money for them once.

    Sink them, and turn them into dive sites, and the exchequer return (eventually) goes on and on and on. Ecologically, sinking the vessels makes sense as they encourage fish to take residence there (although there is debate as to whether or not its just fish moving in from another site) and that, in turn, promotes wreck fishing etc
    True but is it guaranteed?

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    Give them to the NSR!
    It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam Bam View Post
    Give them to the NSR!
    Stop.

    No.

    Just NO.

    Actually get out of this thread.

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    Murph, if a 57 or 76 couldn't sink one, then they have no business being on a naval vessel!

    Cost of the ammunition propsed by all would probably exceed the scrap value.

    Ships are designed to float, just cos you put bullets into them they won't sink.

    In November 1978 the RN put two Exocet missiles into the former HMS Undaunted a type 14 frigate, both fired by HMS Norfolk...it was still capable of being towed 300 miles back in to Gibraltar to be tidied up before HMS Swiftsure delivered the coup de grace with a torpedo.

    Pictures on Page 68 of 'To Sail No More Part' Three by Mike Critchley and Steve Bush.

    Most ships used in Sinkex are prepared with explosives to blow the bottom out of them as gunfire alone especially non explosive type is all but useless.

    You can scrap them in Ireland, its a highly specialized job, Belgium or the UK being the closest ship breakers.

    the 'crusties' have ship breaking sewn up to the point where even the Far Eastern Nations can't make a bob from it anymore.

    Sell them as is, someone will buy them. They are still good ships. Lots of mileage left in them in softer climes. Look at the Former LE Deirdre.


    Just a quicky...how the fcuk do propose to sink a 1000 ton ship with a 105mm...Sink exs take place up to 200 miles away from the coast.....

    Close thread before someone calls in the Hover Tanks....
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    onating the P20'
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    Couple of points...they are not P20s, they are P21s...Deirdre was sole of class and significantly different to Emer and her sisters.

    they are not OPVs, merely PVs

    OPV is Roisin and Niamh, CPV is Ciara and Orla, Eithne is /was a HPV.. P21s are just PVs.....no one in the service ever referred to them as anything else,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    they are not OPVs, merely PVs

    OPV is Roisin and Niamh, CPV is Ciara and Orla, Eithne is /was a HPV.. P21s are just PVs.....no one in the service ever referred to them as anything else,.
    The Naval Service call them OPVs and call Roisin and Niamh LPVs.

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    Murph is right,the cost of prepping for a sinkex to remove all contaminants etc would be a pure waste of lolly,if they had useful life keep them going ,if not flog them off.In relation to breaking,several dredgers and tenders were scrapped in 'Ross 2 years ago,proper job in the old barge factory dock,no need to run then up on a mudbank for the natives etc.

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    Is Rathkeale near the sea.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
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    Couple of points...they are not P20s, they are P21s...Deirdre was sole of class and significantly different to Emer and her sisters.

    they are not OPVs, merely PVs

    OPV is Roisin and Niamh, CPV is Ciara and Orla, Eithne is /was a HPV.. P21s are just PVs.....no one in the service ever referred to them as anything else,.

    Roisin and Niamh are known in the NS as LPVs(Long Patrol Vessels)

    Officially the PVs are known as OPVs as well officially within the service. (PVs is a type of slang used for those ships)

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    Tell ya what, Murph. Just for you, we'll put a 105 on a barge and tow it out to the Sinkex area so you can "fire on the up". We'll even bring along a 90mm AML so you can watch the HEAT rounds striking the hull.And then sink the AML as a dive target.......danno, I was actually joking about grounding a hull but I'd say the Travellers would even clear away the oil stains.

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    The recoil could fire the 90 off the barge

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    What a pity there is no proper future thinking in Ireland. We've dumped/blown up so much of our military history already, and there still seems to be no will to shout "No More!" Something as uniquely Irish as these ship deserves preservation. We need a proper military museum, over the course of 20 years it could develop into a substantial enough attraction. The old Clancy Barracks would have been a perfect location. Deirdre or one of the others could have (somehow!) been displayed in the Liffey on/near site. With room for Eithne when the time comes. And space for a hangar for AC aircraft. God, dreams are a terrible thing!

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    The recoil could fire the 90 off the barge
    Not if you turn the turret side on.Contrary to another my

    (PVs is a type of slang used for those ships) My days it was PVs and sweepers and Eithne and fcuk the acronyms.

    PVs was generic for those who couldn't tell them apart!

    Go back to the original designation for the P51s..it was OPV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    What a pity there is no proper future thinking in Ireland. We've dumped/blown up so much of our military history already, and there still seems to be no will to shout "No More!" Something as uniquely Irish as these ship deserves preservation. We need a proper military museum, over the course of 20 years it could develop into a substantial enough attraction. The old Clancy Barracks would have been a perfect location. Deirdre or one of the others could have (somehow!) been displayed in the Liffey on/near site. With room for Eithne when the time comes. And space for a hangar for AC aircraft. God, dreams are a terrible thing!
    Thank You.
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    We have had a 'poor history' when it comes to retaining former-military aircraft/vehicles/ships.

    However in recent times great strides have been made in preserving retired Air Corps aircraft
    and ex-Army vehicles. Perhaps now is the time to finally retain an ex-Naval Service vessel?!
    IRISH AIR CORPS - Serving the Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    What a pity there is no proper future thinking in Ireland. We've dumped/blown up so much of our military history already, and there still seems to be no will to shout "No More!" Something as uniquely Irish as these ship deserves preservation. We need a proper military museum, over the course of 20 years it could develop into a substantial enough attraction. The old Clancy Barracks would have been a perfect location. Deirdre or one of the others could have (somehow!) been displayed in the Liffey on/near site. With room for Eithne when the time comes. And space for a hangar for AC aircraft. God, dreams are a terrible thing!
    Ahem..Collins Barracks Museum..Ahem

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    how the fcuk do propose to sink a 1000 ton ship with a 105mm...Sink exs take place up to 200 miles away from the coast
    Well, y'know the heli deck on Eithne? Well, first you get some chains ...

    Seriously, sell the ships. At auction. Set a reserve price. Open tenders. Take cheque, use it to pay for the armament (or part thereof) for the P60s. Go home.

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    Navy's Emer and Aoife sail into sunset

    TWO Irish-built and designed navy patrol ships are to be sold off after 40 years of service.

    LE Emer and sister ship LE Aoife were built between 1978 and 1980 in the Verolme dockyard, in Cobh, Co Cork.

    The first ship of four in the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) class built in Cork in 1972, the LE Deirdre, was decommissioned in 2001 and sold for €190,000. She was later converted into a luxury yacht.

    The two ships will be replaced by two new OPVs – in a contract worth more than €99m – which are being built for the Naval Service at Appledore shipyard in Devon in the UK.

    The first of the new ships is scheduled for delivery early next year. The second will follow in 2015.

    LE Emer undertook the first ever deployment of an Irish naval ship to resupply Irish troops serving with the United Nations in Lebanon in 1978.

    EXPLOSION

    The Aoife played a major role in locating the flight recorder of the Air India Boeing 747 Jumbo airliner, which crashed off the Irish south coast in 1985 after a bomb explosion, killing 329 people on board.

    The Department of Defence is seeking expressions of interest for the sale of Emer and Aoife by May 23 next.

    The two new OPVs are designed to serve for up to 40 years, mainly in the North Atlantic, out to Ireland's 200 mile European Economic Zone limit and beyond.
    http://www.herald.ie/news/navys-emer...-29269843.html

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    Cut them up into little pieces and mounted on an block of wood as little souveniers for the mantle piece , paper weights etc .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    What I wouldn't give, to see P21 & P22 save the Santa Rita I (P20) from pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Is Rathkeale near the sea.?
    well it wouldnt take that long for it to be come seaside if they thought they would get scrap value

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    Well, y'know the heli deck on Eithne? Well, first you get some chains ...
    would probably be the fastest she moved in years lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    Cut them up into little pieces and mounted on an block of wood as little souveniers for the mantle piece , paper weights etc .
    probably make more money that way
    who threw the smoke in the van

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    The UN through the IMO are trying to increase patrol capacity in the nations bordering the High Risk Area in the Arabian Sea. It would be entirely appropriate to donate all of the retiring OPVs to this cause. It would help in the fight against piracy, which is damaging our future as a trading nation, it might be possible to include it against our foreign aid targets and it would be a good thing to do just for the hell of it.

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    You are NOT alone Silver. I'd suggest L.E. Eithne for preservation (when her time comes) The last ship built in Verolme Dockyard, she is a Cork girl and is worthy of being preserved. I think she could pay for her upkeep with a little imagination. Of course she could be used as a Prison ship for the more "bolshy" contributors to the IMO.

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    Also, to be fair to the former users, the P20 types were not overly technical or maintenance intensive. The engines were operated by mechanics, not engineers (though engineers did supervise). Any potential future user would not need a large skill base of highly qualified technicians to keep the ships operating.
    The same could not be said for former USN or RN warships, even though the job they end up doing is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Ahem..Collins Barracks Museum..Ahem
    The exhibition in Collins Barracks is just that, an exhibition. Nothing remotely like the concept of a military museum.

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