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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    You don't seem to understand political speak. There are no plans to decommission any other ships because at this stage none are near due for replacement.
    The decision to decommission Emer and Aoife is quite a recent one. There is notional lifespan, which is not set in stone. I'm sure the FOCNS will only make a decision to decommission a ship once he is assured that a replacement will follow on.. Aisling has, for reasons unknown, held up better than Emer or Aoife, but as soon as a decision is made to begin construction of either OPV 3 or EPV1, then they will begin planning to replace Aisling. The current operational Tempo of the PVs though however is far reduced compared to that of either the LPVs, or the HPV. Their ability is currently closer to the CPVs, just without a 76mm OTO, speed, just with more comfortable crew accommodation. Read the news reports of their arrests, or where they are open to the public, or what they have been up to lately, they aren't going far from home, and this is unsustainable. There will be no loss of capability between the decommissioning of P21 and P22 as their removal from service coincides with when they would be due to go to drydock and refit anyway.
    True but lack of forward planning leads to reduced capability.

    They don't generally go into drydock for 3 months do they? You'd be talking a month or so. But it does reduce the impact and leave could also be factored in.

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    but how often do you see the full compliment of ships out of the basin i dont think i have ever seen all ships out in the years below in the base (temp) or from cobh looking over
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapper View Post
    but how often do you see the full compliment of ships out of the basin i dont think i have ever seen all ships out in the years below in the base (temp) or from cobh looking over
    There is a commitment to have 3 at sea at any 1 time and xx% of the fleet at y hrs NTM.

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    Well it is clear to everyone in Cork harbour, including the 2000 or so foreign passengers on the cruise liner that visited yesterday that one of the LPVs has scaffolding around its masts and won't be going anywhere in a hurry. Same difference here.
    Also it is worth noting that one of the LPVs was actually carrying out patrols before she was officially commissioned. So again no capability loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolbox View Post
    Eh not to cut across your thread here but..

    The Engineering department is staffed by Engine Room Artificers 1 CPO and 3 PO/ERAs.
    These men aren't just "mechanic operators" they are dual and some times triple quailifed engineers.

    A MEO is just a marine engineer training takes 3-4 years.

    An ERA is a tradesman with a nationsl craft cert. 4 years of appreticship.
    They are concurrently trained as an artificer during this time. 4 years.
    They are also professional NCOs.
    Most have one or more other qualifications such as a separate second trade (4 more years) or a marine engineering officer of the watch ticket which you only get on completion of a the equivalent of a degree course.
    They will also most likely be an instructor in one of the following ( confined spaces entry & rescue, working at heights, tower climbing & rescue, maritime interdiction operations)
    They are also DCFF experts.
    They are also the only true watch keeping POs.

    They are not just mere "engineers" it takes at least 7 years to get to PO/ERA and they are worth every ounce if effort put into them.

    The MEO is a manager.

    The CPO is the line manager, foreman, library, judge, jury, executioner.

    Just saying like......lol
    And all of the above are kept below decks at all times....lest the public get the impression that the rest of the navy drag their arms behind them as they walk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapper View Post
    but how often do you see the full compliment of ships out of the basin i dont think i have ever seen all ships out in the years below in the base (temp) or from cobh looking over
    Haven't been down there much really. There are times where you won't see a ship in for weeks on end.

    True but lack of forward planning leads to reduced capability.
    In the past 30 years the NS is the one branch of the DF that could never be accused of lack offorward planning, everything has been geared around the future . In one area alone the use of IT the NS was training programmers before the rest of the DF was still using up its vast reserves of carbon paper!

    the use of DEs has always pushed the NS ahead, the fact that all the junior officers up to 1992 went through the international sub lieutenants course in the UK meant they were abreast of modern technology and concepts even proposals before the could be funded. The current FOCNS served his time on some of the most flexible types in the world while on the above mentioned course and learned about Blue/ Green ops.

    Stagnation is not in the NS dictionary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    True but lack of forward planning leads to reduced capability.

    They don't generally go into drydock for 3 months do they? You'd be talking a month or so. But it does reduce the impact and leave could also be factored in.
    Surely it is operability that is at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Haven't been down there much really. There are times where you won't see a ship in for weeks on end.



    In the past 30 years the NS is the one branch of the DF that could never be accused of lack offorward planning, everything has been geared around the future . In one area alone the use of IT the NS was training programmers before the rest of the DF was still using up its vast reserves of carbon paper!

    the use of DEs has always pushed the NS ahead, the fact that all the junior officers up to 1992 went through the international sub lieutenants course in the UK meant they were abreast of modern technology and concepts even before the could be funded. The current FOCNS served his time on some of the most flexible types in the world while on the above mentioned course and learned about Blue/ Green ops.

    Stagnation is not in the NS dictionary!
    I didn't says on the NS's behalf

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    I didn't says on the NS's behalf
    we are discussing a naval topic in a naval thread, inference therefore is assumed.
    Just visiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Haven't been down there much really. There are times where you won't see a ship in for weeks on end.

    i've never seen all ships out
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    Auctioneer Dominic J Daly Appointed to Sell Naval Vessels LE Emer & LE Aoife

    Cork Auctioneer Dominic Daly is to sell the Navy Vessel LE Emer (P21) in early October. The Auctioneer, who recently handled the public auction of the Clipper Faith Cargo vessel for the Admiralty Marshall, confirmed arrangements are now in place with the Department of Defence to dispose of the ship this Autumn. Interest could come from a variety of sources including the conversion of the ships for the superyacht market or use as an offshore energy supply boat or a research vessel.

    A year later the sister ship LE Aoife (P22) will also go on the market. Both ships are being replaced with new builds for the Irish Naval Service.

    As Afloat.ie reported in May, the two Irish-built navy patrol ships launched at Verolme Cork Dockyard, are to be sold off after 40 years of service.

    LE Emer (P21) and a sister ship LE Aoife (P22) were built between 1978 and 1980 at the Rushbrooke shipyard near in Cobh, Co Cork.

    The first ship of four in the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) class built in Cork in 1972, the LE Deirdre (P20) , was decommissioned in 2001 and sold for €190,000. She was later converted into a luxury yacht.

    The two ships will be replaced by two new OPVs currently under construction in the UK.
    http://afloat.ie/port-news/navy/item...-emer-le-aoife

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    Hmm. Mixed feelings about that. He's a well established auctioneer, and hopefully will, to secure a decent commission himself, get the best possible price for the ships, which are still in good running order. At the same time I'd like to see them get an appropriate end to their service, and not end up rotting away in some foreign shipyard, mid conversion into floating penis extension.

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    The former LE Deirdre is hardly a rusting hulk these days, although it took them long enough to convert her. I'd prefer to see them rusting somewhere rather than crewed by a bunch of idiots in the Antarctic chasing whalers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    The former LE Deirdre is hardly a rusting hulk these days, although it took them long enough to convert her. I'd prefer to see them rusting somewhere rather than crewed by a bunch of idiots in the Antarctic chasing whalers.
    Shes ( Deirdre) going to be scrapped! Hull is far too fragile for intended work.

    which are still in( good )running order.

    lets settle on running order, They have become problematic engineering wise internally as was discussed about LE AOIFE alongside in Waterford recently.

    If they are to be sold they will have to be bought by someone with good experience of the type of machinery aboard,

    Should the not be donated as part of our overseas aid package to some emerging nation as opposed to trying to generate cash for them which will be sucked into the coffers of state?

    Given the price the Ark Royal made recently, they have no scrap value....and with associated clean ups would probably cost the state money.
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    Hard one to call,emerging nations that have a viable NS up and running have moved past relicts,those with little or no NS may not thank you for inflicting the P21s on them and could well strangle the NS concerned .Is it the case that the Mauritius PV80 is laid up in disrepair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Should the not be donated as part of our overseas aid package to some emerging nation as opposed to trying to generate cash for them which will be sucked into the coffers of state?.
    In fairness, they have given a good return on investment but if we get a few euros for them it will help pay for their replacements.

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    Hard one to call,emerging nations that have a viable NS up and running have moved past relicts,those with little or no NS may not thank you for inflicting the P21s on them and could well strangle the NS concerned .Is it the case that the Mauritius PV80 is laid up in disrepair.
    Bangladesh operated the Island Class and Castle Class PVs after the brits offloaded them, same vintage as some of ours.

    In fairness, they have given a good return on investment but if we get a few euros for them it will help pay for their replacements.
    Sold as seen, any major work would make them uneconomical to sell.They have paid for themselves 100 times over in Irish Service and owe the State nothing, and cash amount would only be a token.

    Again to clean them up for scrapping would exceed their value.

    Bit of a quandry all round if they fail to sell.
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    Do we owe our masters in the E.U. a percentage of the sale , did they help with the original funding ?
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    It was a Grant, not a loan.

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    There was a scoping study published jointly by the NS and some researchers asserting a national maritime museam at HBL to include ships/craft alongside.Probabaly just a pipedream due to lack of dosh.

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    It was one of the proposals put forward for use of the Former ISPAT site following cleanup. However cleanup may take longer than was originally planned, now they have to rebuild the bridge.

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    L.É. EMER set sail on her final operational maritime defence patrol this morning after a remarkable 35 years service.
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    Ship mentioned in the article on the north wall in Dublin. Had to have it engins removed/deactivated in order to get a bar licence also being run now by NAMA.

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    Back to a 7 vessel NS shortly

    With the plans how about at Spike?

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