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  • #61
    Strategic planning anyone? 10-20 year planning?

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    • #62
      lads you keep saying about preserve and museum
      you all forget something this is ireland things are done backwards , you'll have a few years of donations and volunteers doing the work and then funding will become an issue so then fas will take over and leave everyone and anyone at the ship and over time it will deteriorate ,as usual the irish head honchos will deside to cut the funding and it will be down to get dulux to cover the rust cause they wont pay for the lead based paint ffs
      i admire your willing to preserve part of our history but sometimes it just not practical or feasible but if any should be kept it should be the p31 she is the biggest and maybe then we might have the money
      realistically they should either be sold for scrap or as is or just sunk
      sold as is ,is probably the best out come as you dont need to rip as much stuff out of the ship therefore less man hrs and more cash
      who threw the smoke in the van

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Tempest View Post
        I doubt they would be wanted/up to the task, as has been discussed here on another thread.
        I beg to differ. They would be very much wanted. As I stated, the IMO is seeking donations of such ships. As for up to the task, while they might be a bit worn out for operations in the Atlantic they would be very suitable for coastal patrols especially in areas where none exist at present.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
          Strategic planning anyone? 10-20 year planning?
          20 years?

          What about 5 years?

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          • #65
            I would say the last time we dabbled with maritime history would have left a sour taste in the mouth of the Dep't of Finance.
            Remember the Kerry Jennie Johnston. The amount of dishonesty that went on in building it was shameful.

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            • #66
              Roll up roll up the ,tickets now available for the Irish Navy Reinactment Cruise of a three week patrol on board a genuine (retired ) Irish Naval Patrol Vessel ,300 euros per week all found. Autentic menu of all your old favourites , duty free free booz and gambling , visit all the old hang outs , including , Killybegs , Blacksod Bay , Dungarvin , Rathmullin to name a few . Dirty movies available ( pay per view )
              Last edited by Laners; 16 May 2013, 19:30.
              Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Laners View Post
                Roll up roll up the ,tickets now available for the Irish Navy Reinactment Cruise of a three week patrol on board a genuine (retired ) Irish Naval Patrol Vessel ,300 euros per week all found. Autentic menu of all your old favourites , duty free free booz and gambling , visit all the old hang outs , including , Killybegs , Blacksod Bay , Dungarvin , Rathmullin to name a few . Dirty movies available ( pay per view )

                Do you remember old sweats telling you 'people would pay for this ' when you were dying sick or just pissed off!!! Obviously it stuck in your mind.

                never had coddle since I left the Navy, would almost be worth one trip for a good feed of it.
                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                • #68
                  Eh not to cut across your thread here but..

                  The Engineering department is staffed by Engine Room Artificers 1 CPO and 3 PO/ERAs.
                  These men aren't just "mechanic operators" they are dual and some times triple quailifed engineers.

                  A MEO is just a marine engineer training takes 3-4 years.

                  An ERA is a tradesman with a nationsl craft cert. 4 years of appreticship.
                  They are concurrently trained as an artificer during this time. 4 years.
                  They are also professional NCOs.
                  Most have one or more other qualifications such as a separate second trade (4 more years) or a marine engineering officer of the watch ticket which you only get on completion of a the equivalent of a degree course.
                  They will also most likely be an instructor in one of the following ( confined spaces entry & rescue, working at heights, tower climbing & rescue, maritime interdiction operations)
                  They are also DCFF experts.
                  They are also the only true watch keeping POs.

                  They are not just mere "engineers" it takes at least 7 years to get to PO/ERA and they are worth every ounce if effort put into them.

                  The MEO is a manager.

                  The CPO is the line manager, foreman, library, judge, jury, executioner.

                  Just saying like......lol

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Laners View Post
                    Roll up roll up the ,tickets now available for the Irish Navy Reinactment Cruise of a three week patrol on board a genuine (retired ) Irish Naval Patrol Vessel ,300 euros per week all found. Autentic menu of all your old favourites , duty free free booz and gambling , visit all the old hang outs , including , Killybegs , Blacksod Bay , Dungarvin , Rathmullin to name a few . Dirty movies available ( pay per view )
                    who threw the smoke in the van

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Laners View Post
                      Roll up roll up the ,tickets now available for the Irish Navy Reinactment Cruise of a three week patrol on board a genuine (retired ) Irish Naval Patrol Vessel ,300 euros per week all found. Autentic menu of all your old favourites , duty free free booz and gambling , visit all the old hang outs , including , Killybegs , Blacksod Bay , Dungarvin , Rathmullin to name a few . Dirty movies available ( pay per view )
                      You might be onto something there.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Kieran Marum View Post
                        DAIL ANSWERS Tuesday 14th May 2013.

                        Naval Service Vessels

                        494. Deputy Andrew Doyle asked the Minister for Defence if he will outline the projected decommissioning dates of each of the current fleet of vessels belonging to the Irish Naval Service; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [22885/13]

                        Minister for Defence (Deputy Alan Shatter): It is intended to decommission the L.É. Emer in September 2013 and the L.É Aoife in September 2014. These dates correspond to the need for the Naval Service to be in a position to crew the two new replacement ships which are currently being built. The replacement ships are scheduled for delivery in early 2014 and 2015. There are no plans at present to decommission any of the remaining ships in the fleet.
                        Back to a 7 vessel NS for a few months then.

                        The 30 year rule (yes I know they don't fall apart after 30 years and 1 day but they are hard worked) became the 35 year rule for Emer and Aoife. Aisling is only 1 year younger and no plans to decommission her? 40 year rule for Aisling?

                        Back to penny packet replacements

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                          The whole idea of asgard II was she had sails. That was where the teamwork was built. All hands were required on deck to get under sail, or even to make a course change. Hard to justify that on a motor vessel....unless you replace the engine with oars...
                          Thats that one settled sowhats left? research or maybe some save the world platform.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by sofa View Post
                            Is Rathkeale near the sea.?
                            If not, the cusins will soon dig a channel to access the scrap. boss

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Toolbox View Post
                              Eh not to cut across your thread here but..

                              The Engineering department is staffed by Engine Room Artificers 1 CPO and 3 PO/ERAs.
                              These men aren't just "mechanic operators" they are dual and some times triple quailifed engineers.

                              A MEO is just a marine engineer training takes 3-4 years.

                              An ERA is a tradesman with a nationsl craft cert. 4 years of appreticship.
                              They are concurrently trained as an artificer during this time. 4 years.
                              They are also professional NCOs.
                              Most have one or more other qualifications such as a separate second trade (4 more years) or a marine engineering officer of the watch ticket which you only get on completion of a the equivalent of a degree course.
                              They will also most likely be an instructor in one of the following ( confined spaces entry & rescue, working at heights, tower climbing & rescue, maritime interdiction operations)
                              They are also DCFF experts.
                              They are also the only true watch keeping POs.

                              They are not just mere "engineers" it takes at least 7 years to get to PO/ERA and they are worth every ounce if effort put into them.

                              The MEO is a manager.

                              The CPO is the line manager, foreman, library, judge, jury, executioner.

                              Just saying like......lol
                              All true, however when it comes to day to day running of the ship only (not including refit/repair) are all those skills necessary? Purely in the event of the ship being operated by a country whose education standards may not be comparable to that of the average NS recruit/apprentice/cadet?


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                                Strategic planning anyone? 10-20 year planning?
                                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                20 years?

                                What about 5 years?
                                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                Back to a 7 vessel NS for a few months then.

                                The 30 year rule (yes I know they don't fall apart after 30 years and 1 day but they are hard worked) became the 35 year rule for Emer and Aoife. Aisling is only 1 year younger and no plans to decommission her? 40 year rule for Aisling?

                                Back to penny packet replacements
                                You don't seem to understand political speak. There are no plans to decommission any other ships because at this stage none are near due for replacement.
                                The decision to decommission Emer and Aoife is quite a recent one. There is notional lifespan, which is not set in stone. I'm sure the FOCNS will only make a decision to decommission a ship once he is assured that a replacement will follow on.. Aisling has, for reasons unknown, held up better than Emer or Aoife, but as soon as a decision is made to begin construction of either OPV 3 or EPV1, then they will begin planning to replace Aisling. The current operational Tempo of the PVs though however is far reduced compared to that of either the LPVs, or the HPV. Their ability is currently closer to the CPVs, just without a 76mm OTO, speed, just with more comfortable crew accommodation. Read the news reports of their arrests, or where they are open to the public, or what they have been up to lately, they aren't going far from home, and this is unsustainable. There will be no loss of capability between the decommissioning of P21 and P22 as their removal from service coincides with when they would be due to go to drydock and refit anyway.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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