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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    grrrrrrrrr.....

    whats that i hear you ask? its a great big fcuk off Leopard says i.

    (thats a 62 tonne Leopard 2A6 Main Battle Tank for those of you wondering if i've been at the crackpipe this morning...) @Mick O'Toole - if i was a curious chap, i might be interested to know why the Irish Ministry of Finance - err... i mean the Irish Army is one of the very few European Army's who undertake peacekeeping operations without taking a few hugely intimidating MBT's with them... i'm sure there's an excellent doctrinal explanation.
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    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
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    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herald View Post
    It would be interesting to know who ordered the FMR out to rescue the first batch of Filipino troops, I believe the COS there is a Filipino Colonel, while the Mission Commander is Maj Gen Singh Singha.
    The COS resigned yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    grrrrrrrrr.....

    whats that i hear you ask? its a great big fcuk off Leopard says i.

    (thats a 62 tonne Leopard 2A6 Main Battle Tank for those of you wondering if i've been at the crackpipe this morning...) @Mick O'Toole - if i was a curious chap, i might be interested to know why the Irish Ministry of Finance - err... i mean the Irish Army is one of the very few European Army's who undertake peacekeeping operations without taking a few hugely intimidating MBT's with them... i'm sure there's an excellent doctrinal explanation.

    Because we don't have any

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    The big gun is nice alright but surely they're a bit dated from the IED/RPG point of view?

    I'm speaking from a position of complete ignorance here btw (wouldn't be the first time says yous), but surely something more modern, albeit with a slightly smaller boomstick is a better option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocIRL View Post
    I don't think I'm being unreasonable by saying I think everyone should be issued an Iron Man style exo-skeleton when headed overseas
    Force protection is more important than mission?

    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Agree that it's finished without Israeli & Assad support - the question is, what does widening the mandate mean, given that the threat to the UN is from the rebel factions - who are a common enemy to both Israel & Assad.
    A UN mission can't occur without the consent of the parties (otherwise it is an invasion). UNDOF has done a very good job (ie there has been no major fighting between Syria and Israel).

    The issue is now another party
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    A UN mission can't occur without the consent of the parties (otherwise it is an invasion). UNDOF has done a very good job (ie there has been no major fighting between Syria and Algeria).

    The issue is now another party
    I'll go out on a limb and say you meant Israel..

    Yes the issue is because of the presence of another party - and it effectively puts the UN forces on the ground, Syrian government & Israeli forces all on the same side.

    The Israeli press is saying Assad's forces are doing everything to try and avoid firing towards Israeli territory.

    Assad's forces wont complain if the Israeli's take out a dozen rebels in an airstrike on Syrian territory.

    Thus I'm not really convinced of the wisdom of being there - at least under the current UN auspices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    History would suggest otherwise.
    When all options were exhausted and only after doing a lot of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    Mistake to de-comission the AML90's without a replacement. They make people think twice.
    No, if this was an AML 90s Vs IED incident we'd have had three dead crew.

    MRV would be the preferred weapon of choice there at the moment.
    Just visiting

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    was it an IED, which raises all sorts of issues or a legacy mine from previous conflicts? Was the car repaired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    I'll go out on a limb and say you meant Israel..

    Yes the issue is because of the presence of another party - and it effectively puts the UN forces on the ground, Syrian government & Israeli forces all on the same side.

    The Israeli press is saying Assad's forces are doing everything to try and avoid firing towards Israeli territory.

    Assad's forces wont complain if the Israeli's take out a dozen rebels in an airstrike on Syrian territory.

    Thus I'm not really convinced of the wisdom of being there - at least under the current UN auspices.
    You limb is safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    was it an IED, which raises all sorts of issues or a legacy mine from previous conflicts? Was the car repaired?
    Most likely an IED. It was on a road so it wasn't a mine that has been forgotten about. The mowags had already passed over the spot where the device was so there is a good chance that it wasn't a mine and the device detonated after the mowags were attacked with small arms which is consistent with the methods for a command detonation IED attack.
    The car was probably repair but I couldn't say for sure. We have plenty of experience repairing them anyway.

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    Why was there no engineer variant purchased with mine detection devices like the strykers M1132 Engineer Squad Vehicle. Or did Mowag not produce such a variant.

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    Irish officer to take deputy lead of UN Golan Heights mission

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...sion-1.1916908

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    Irish officer to take deputy lead of UN Golan Heights mission

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...sion-1.1916908
    That was inevitable.. I'm surprised an Irish Officer hasn't been offered top job........Yet..

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    From the article Rhodes linked:

    “The higher UN echelon as well as the Indian Army agrees with me that the decision was correct. It is an act of cowardice to desert posts especially when a delicate ceasefire was in place, They broke the chain of command and UN orders.”
    So they should've surrendered instead?

    Some boyo.

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    Well it seems like logic goes out the window when you're trying to save your career.
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Hearing about "The higher UN echelon" that apparently agrees with this guy, reminded me of this in interview with a Canadian, who recounts his experience of working in military intelligence with the UN, back in Bosnia during the 90's.

    The whole thing is worth listening to and still resonates - from 29 minutes on, he discusses Srebrenica and how the UN hierarchy looked the other way when the guys on the ground warned them about what was going to happen - when tough choices needed to be made, and weren't.

    http://spy-museum.s3.amazonaws.com/f...11_quiggin.mp3

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    ...Some boyo.
    the mans an idiot - the policy he set (play nice) has very obviously not worked, as 40-odd Fijians tied to radiators in Syria could tell you. to compound this by having a go at the Philipino's for firstly putting up a fight and then legging it when the situation became untenable (particularly when such was complying with a direct national order) is just dumb as pork.

    hole. digging. stop.

    if he'd shut up most people would assume the original 'surrender to Al Qiada and it'll turn out ok..' order had come from the knicker-sniffers in New York, but he's saying it was his order, and he's upset that people chose not to commit suicide, i mean follow it.

    using the 'cowardice' word is not going to go down well in the Philipines, they are going to go mental...

    ante room, mess webley, and a moment to consider my options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    Mistake to de-comission the AML90's without a replacement. They make people think twice.
    Their IED survivability compared to the Mowag however would make crewing one an even bigger mistake. This conflict is nowhere for an underpowered 70 year old AFV design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    From the article Rhodes linked:

    “The higher UN echelon as well as the Indian Army agrees with me that the decision was correct. It is an act of cowardice to desert posts especially when a delicate ceasefire was in place, They broke the chain of command and UN orders.”
    So they should've surrendered instead?
    Do not expect the UN to support the Troops. They will not. Unless things are quiet and going well, then they will print pretty colour magazines with 2 pages on what the Troops are doing, and 30 pages of pictures of diplomats, politicians, generals and other VIPs in meetings, ceremonies and cocktails.

    The UN is a self-licking ice-cream cone.
    "On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.

    Never give up!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle View Post
    The UN is a self-licking ice-cream cone.

    I'm stealing this.
    "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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    Agreed.. MRV and Carl from Sweden.

    Both AT 4 and CG 84.. might as well thrown in Milan as well..

    Can never have enough 'reach out and' touch missiles.
    Just visiting

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    MILAN is well gone, Javelin has further reach

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    I think and I could be wrong, but I think THE IRISH CONTINGENT HAVE COMPANY LEVEL WEAPONS is over there.


    MOD: As I said earlier lets keep it vague.Last warning to all posters.You don't know who is reading this.Lets not give them anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Come-quickly View Post
    I'm stealing this.
    so am I.....
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    No, if this was an AML 90s Vs IED incident we'd have had three dead crew.

    MRV would be the preferred weapon of choice there at the moment.
    Wasn't referring to the video HTP, just meant that if the Irish in UNDOF rocked up with a couple of AML90's to assist the Phillipinos, or come head to head with the insurgents anywhere in the AO, they'd take more notice.

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