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  • #46
    what also happens in the Don is that a significant amount of qualified people (techs, (including spanner wielders/backseaters/ATc/photogs) and pilots) are employed in other jobs or are on long term courses and are not doing the job they originally joined to do. Such a thing is much less obvious or tolerated in the airline industry. The Don has usually been able to cope with manpower shortage because it can drag people back from their other jobs/courses/sports if it really has to. By any standard, the Don is overmanned in certain areas or the rostering does not absorb manpower like it should. Apart from that, refusing to use contract employees is another issue.

    regards
    GttC

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tadpole View Post
      1. Retention
      2. Incentive scheme
      3. Employment of civil pilots as a stop gap
      4. Reduction of capability
      Related to Option 3 above - any Reservists currently flying ? In a former unit, one of our officers was a pilot with Aer Fungus. He hung up his DPMs a few years ago. Don't think he was at retirement age, either
      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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      • #48
        I don't think there are any reservists anymore, its just not practical to keep people current on aircraft types for a few hours a year, especially as its very unlikely that any reservists could / would be called up for operations in the AC.

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        • #49
          Maybe an International Problem... http://touch.latimes.com/#section/17.../p2p-76746320/

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          • #50
            Originally posted by midnight oil View Post
            They introduced Flying Allowance the last time there was retention issues. Cant see more of that happening again to be honest.

            The organisation relies on people joining, training, building experience, training people behind them, leaving .... the whole process starts again behind them with someone new
            Exactly; its not as if the pilots decide to quit and are gone by lunchtime,enough notice is given to absorb the loss and the perceived issue lessens the perception that the AC is full of desk jockeys.

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            • #51
              That article misses the main point for a shortage of pilots: that they are choosing Admin, managerial, hq positions to enable further progression in the career ladder. Something that they could not do if strapped in all the time

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              • #52
                Exactly; its not as if the pilots decide to quit and are gone by lunchtime,enough notice is given to absorb the loss
                Your right pilots dont decide over lunch but in the IAC you play your cards close to your chest until breaking cover at the last moment. The first the IAC know about somebody leaving is when the application crosses the desk. I can assure you, the IAC cannot train 1 let alone 3 RW pilots in 3 months.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Tadpole View Post
                  Your right pilots dont decide over lunch but in the IAC you play your cards close to your chest until breaking cover at the last moment. The first the IAC know about somebody leaving is when the application crosses the desk. I can assure you, the IAC cannot train 1 let alone 3 RW pilots in 3 months.
                  It only takes 6 weeks to process a 608

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                  • #54
                    Being an application, in theory at least it can be refused

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                    • #55
                      Being an application, in theory at least it can be refused
                      Correct Dev. The application to retire is at the discretion of the Minister. Its known as retention, has been done in the past and is one of the options available to the DF if numbers get low.

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                      • #56
                        well, they're not going to fund retention money in this economy so they (the DoD) might just let fellas go on the basis that they can reactivate desk jockeys or, perish the thought, hire in connies or speed up the training process. apart from that, the DoD might simply give a great Civil Service shrug and wait til the alleged crisis blows over.

                        regards
                        GttC

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                        • #57
                          Hi GTTC,
                          Your mixing up retention with incentive schemes. The incentive scheme paid people money to extend their contracts, with retention the individuals don't get a penny extra, they just aren't allowed to leave the service until the Minister approves it.

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                          • #58
                            I understand completely but if a pilot doesn't want to fly/work under duress, he can make it his business not to do so............... The contrast in the approaches made to commissioned and enlisted says it all. Money found for desk jockeys as against punitive measures for enlisted. You might not have been there but I was and the effect on morale was disastrous.

                            regards
                            GttC

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                            • #59
                              Prior to 1992 AC pilots were retained until they reached retirement age for their rank.


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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                Prior to 1992 AC pilots were retained until they reached retirement age for their rank.


                                Page 6 / 9


                                Sorry for the misplaced quote. Phones.

                                What about the loss of instructors? Many of the potential retirees are the only guys who can train their line replacements and once gone it takes serious effort to train replacement instructors to keep the cycle going. I can see them having some issues with internal training in the near future if the trend keeps up.

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