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Originally posted by DeV View PostAnd policy has been considered - it is within Government policy IMHO
You could ream off pages of justification for participation in something like hotblade.
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Originally posted by Chuck View PostPolicy is guidance and if policy doesn't specifically preclude something, then the waters can be tested. You just need someone with a pair of balls to ask the question and be prepared to justify it.
You could ream off pages of justification for participation in something like hotblade.
To be clear I have no idea what’s involved but I’d imagine that if GOC AC wanted to send 2 x AW139 with aircrew, spares and some techs to Hot blade then he needs to submit a business case.
Of course, a lot depends on operational requirements (and I assume he should show how he maintains those capabilities while deployed) but if he used phrases like “interoperability with EU, UN and PfP partners”, “improve standard of training”, “improve ability to respond to a terrorist incident”, “in situations that cannot be replicated in Ireland” etc etc ..... and he references specific paragraphs in WP15 and the latest DoD/DF Strategic Statement (plus has approval from DCOS) then he has made a much better case as far as DoD are concerned than if he says “learn new TTPs in order to be able to operate on COMAO”.
You need to be able to justify it and sell it as a good idea (and their idea (see the WP and Strategy Statement)).
Of course, that is not to say that he didn’tLast edited by DeV; 20 June 2018, 16:28.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostI’d agree and disagree on your definition of policy, you meet to show where what you want to do meets stated policy objectives, that is especially true where resources are scarce.
To be clear I have no idea what’s involved but I’d imagine that if GOC AC wanted to send 2 x AW139 with aircrew, spares and some techs to Hot blade then he needs to submit a business case.
Of course, a lot depends on operational requirements (and I assume he should show how he maintains those capabilities while deployed) but if he used phrases like “interoperability with EU, UN and PfP partners”, “improve standard of training”, “improve ability to respond to a terrorist incident”, “in situations that cannot be replicated in Ireland” etc etc ..... and he references specific paragraphs in WP15 and the latest DoD/DF Strategic Statement (plus has approval from DCOS) then he has made a much better case as far as DoD are concerned than if he says “learn new TTPs in order to be able to operate on COMAO”.
You need to be able to justify it and sell it as a good idea (and their idea (see the WP and Strategy Statement)).
Of course, that is not to say that he didn’t
I suppose I mean that if policy doesn't strictly forbid something then it is open to probing. Some things just take a little persuasion and in the current era, throw in a few buzzwords for good measure.
You would be astonished at the things that require business cases and the hoops that must be jumped through for the smallest thing.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostEdited my post
All I’m saying is that if the hours were available and we wanted to exercises flying a 105 battery from Cork to the Glen, they would probably have to put a tanker in Cork and Kilworth.
Medium lift they are not
The Government policy not to deploy AC assets overseas changed with WP15.
The final 2 in the tender were the AW139 and Black Hawk.... what does that tell you (at DoD level).. having said that we would have ended up with max 4 Black Hawks.
Even if there was a politically desire to deploy 2 AW139s to Lebanon... we don’t have the personnel.
But sill no excuse for buying a green coloured taxi
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Originally posted by sofa View PostAny ways. what if the Aer Corp had being given the permission to go . How would they have transported the two choppers down to the meet.
Thinking distance to travel and not needing a overhaul when they get there.?
you could cut a large corner by flying from Baldonnel to France direct, but thats a long overwater journey.
you might be able to stick two in an A400M - not sure about that, you can certainly put two Tigers or two Apache in one...
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You could do it in a day, easily. If they can sit at 140 kts for two hours, they'd be in Cherbourg from Dublin in a couple of hours (mil base there). Top up, have a pee, move on. So much of Europe can easily be reached inside a day's journey, all it takes is patience and a bit of flight planning......as Chuck said, the curse of having to make "business cases" for the slightest thing is the bane of modern commercial/industrial life. Bean counters have more sway than career soldiers.
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View PostYou could do it in a day, easily. If they can sit at 140 kts for two hours, they'd be in Cherbourg from Dublin in a couple of hours (mil base there). Top up, have a pee, move on. So much of Europe can easily be reached inside a day's journey, all it takes is patience and a bit of flight planning......as Chuck said, the curse of having to make "business cases" for the slightest thing is the bane of modern commercial/industrial life. Bean counters have more sway than career soldiers.
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