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    169 Irish jump wings were awarded (I assume mainly to foreign military)

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    Can any RDF members get onto that IJW or must you belong to an airborne unit?? 169 irish members got wings, yet i doubt 169 rangers (our only airborne unit) took part!!!!!
    Is it that 169 paratroopers from other countries earned irish wings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col View Post
    Is it that 169 paratroopers from other countries earned irish wings?
    correct
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col View Post
    Is it that 169 paratroopers from other countries earned irish wings?
    If the jumpers get dispatched by an Irish jumpmaster they' earn Irish wings.

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    presumably they have to leave an Irish aircraft in irish airspace to do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    presumably they have to leave an Irish aircraft in irish airspace to do so?
    no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col View Post
    Is it that 169 paratroopers from other countries earned irish wings?
    Yep, that's probably 10 years of normal jump courses in the Df!
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    Seemingly the white paper targets have not been hit (yet?)

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-35644245.html

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    They can increase the establishment to 1,000 if they want but that doesn't mean it will happen!

    Why?

    Because they have to pass the SOFQ course

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    Well you have to pay for it too; equipment, training, allowances etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Well you have to pay for it too; equipment, training, allowances etc
    Correct but if 80 start and 10 pass selection

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    I get the distinct feeling that we are not going to see any reaction regarding Defence until we are faced with a Bataclan, Brussels Airport, or similar attack is perpetrated on Irish soil. Lets be frank and honest, our government and general public are horribly naive and complacent when it comes to national security.

    It is a noble aspiration to double the size of the wing, but to do so, do we need to increase the pool of potential applicants? One solution I think is viable, but probably will be ridiculed by some would be a 23 SAS like unit, to keep those who leave the wing in the fold.

    Going back to my original point, Ireland is currently an extremely soft target, I mean imagine how much carnage a lone wolf attacker, or even a small operational cell could cause on O'Connell Street in Dublin, Patrick Street in Cork, or any main street in any town in Ireland. Some of these places have minimal Garda presence due to cut backs, and no DF presence at all. How long would it take a Regional Support Unit or other armed assets to react to an incident?
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    I thought that if a person has served in the ARW, that they are subject to recall if need be, to the ARW, for the duration or until they pass the age barrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    I thought that if a person has served in the ARW, that they are subject to recall if need be, to the ARW, for the duration or until they pass the age barrier.
    Correct.Also think outside the box people.Not all pers who serve in the unit are badged. You don't need to increase the amount of operators to increase the size of the unit.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    We could increase the ARW to 1,000, double the size of the DF, triple the size of the Gardai and arm them all.

    If the terrorists want it to happen it will. With terror cells you have half a hope of catching them as they have to communicate. You really down have a hope with the lone wolf.

    Look at the amount of armed police in Paris and it hasn't stopped terror attacks (in some cases they are actually the targets).

    We are living in an age where someone doesn't need access to weapons or explosives to be a terrorist, they just need a vehicle.

    Until all Gardai are armed and they are on every street corner Ireland will be a soft target.

    Be under absolutely no illusion, there are Islamic terrorists and/or there supporters (including enablers) in Ireland - they have been here a long time.

    Trust me

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Be under absolutely no illusion, there are Islamic terrorists and/or there supporters (including enablers) in Ireland - they have been here a long time.

    Trust me
    All you need to do is walk down the Grand Parade in Cork on a Saturday to see followers of Wahhabi Islam looking to convert the public, I have no doubt that there are extremists in the ranks.
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    How extreme do you need to be to be an extremist Wahhabi?
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    I thought that if a person has served in the ARW, that they are subject to recall if need be, to the ARW, for the duration or until they pass the age barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Correct.Also think outside the box people.Not all pers who serve in the unit are badged. You don't need to increase the amount of operators to increase the size of the unit.
    Yep I know of one such individual
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    +1 on Apods comment, it's like "civilianising" Garda jobs. More black hats frees up the door kickers for door kicking.

    And a thread split maybe for our in inevitable introduction to Islamic terrorism maybe?
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    Without increasing the recruiting pool within the DF, I can't see it being viable to increase the ARW in its current guise. Better option would be to incorporate a sub-unit into the ARW as a support group. That way, a "tier 2" unit can then focus on particular SF disciplines such as LRRP, Irregular Warfare or Counter Terrorism, taking the pressure off the ARW while at the same time being able to compliment the ARW as a whole force capability package for certain mission profiles. A "tier 2" unit might even open the door to the first and second line reserves too, availing of all the specialist skills that otherwise go unused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    Without increasing the recruiting pool within the DF, I can't see it being viable to increase the ARW in its current guise. Better option would be to incorporate a sub-unit into the ARW as a support group. That way, a "tier 2" unit can then focus on particular SF disciplines such as LRRP, Irregular Warfare or Counter Terrorism, taking the pressure off the ARW while at the same time being able to compliment the ARW as a whole force capability package for certain mission profiles. A "tier 2" unit might even open the door to the first and second line reserves too, availing of all the specialist skills that otherwise go unused.
    There is nothing to stop an PDF personnel applying for selection once they have the medical and fitness done (you don't even need grade 1 in ITs) and recommendation of CO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    There is nothing to stop an PDF personnel applying for selection once they have the medical and fitness done (you don't even need grade 1 in ITs) and recommendation of CO.
    I don't get your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir View Post
    I don't get your point.
    A pool of 9,000+isn't big enough ?

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