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    Russian Navy probes UK waters

    A fully armed Royal Navy warship was scrambled to challenge a missile-carrying Russian vessel in the waters off Britain just days before Christmas, defence sources revealed last night.

    In a calculated test of Britain's reduced naval capacity in the North Sea, the Russian warship came within 30 miles of the coast.

    It was detected nearing Scotland, but the only ship the Royal Navy had available to respond after Ministry of Defence cuts was in Portsmouth, resulting in a delay of 24 hours until it was in position. . . .
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...p-off-uk-coast

    And from the department of irony:
    The SNP has been critical of the scrapping of the Nimrod fleet, leaving the UK with no dedicated maritime patrol aircraft.
    http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/def...land-1-5787359

    Odd timing, politically...

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    " the Briitish crew watched as the Russian ship retreated.." Load of jingo shy te,at least there were no Arthur Bachelors aboard either unit.

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    Am I missing something here?

    Russian warship passes within 30 miles of the Scottish coast...in International Waters...as they are entitled to do?

    Royal Navy warship tasked to monitor their movements...as common sense would dictate.

    Sensationalist journalism...about a non-story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    Am I missing something here?

    Russian warship passes within 30 miles of the Scottish coast...in International Waters...as they are entitled to do?

    Royal Navy warship tasked to monitor their movements...as common sense would dictate.

    Sensationalist journalism...about a non-story?
    It is being sensationalised - one would think the Russians were about to launch their missiles against Scotland

    That said, it was enough of an incident that it warranted tasking a Destroyer from Portsmouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    Am I missing something here?

    Russian warship passes within 30 miles of the Scottish coast...in International Waters...as they are entitled to do?

    Royal Navy warship tasked to monitor their movements...as common sense would dictate.

    Sensationalist journalism...about a non-story?
    That occurred to me, too. Limit is usually 12 miles or so, isn't it ?
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    Surley it would have been better to ignore the Russians and leave them guessing as to what the RN response time might have been . As it was the RN tipped their hand so to speak .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    Surley it would have been better to ignore the Russians and leave them guessing as to what the RN response time might have been . As it was the RN tipped their hand so to speak .
    thats certainly true, but the oppostite side of that coin is that leaving the Russian ship to its own devices has its own downsides - it might, for example, been interested in Submarine movements, or sticking its unwanted nose into GR4 exercises from Lossiemouth, or getting a nice close feel for the RAF's air search radars on the east coast.

    i agree, absolutely, that responding to it tells the Russians things we'd rather they didn't know about our surface surveilance capability and our ability to respond - but letting them roam about unhindered also has a cost.

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    it might, for example, been interested in Submarine movements, or sticking its unwanted nose into GR4 exercises from Lossiemouth, or getting a nice close feel for the RAF's air search radars on the east coast.

    Could have just googled it instead....
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    At least, they could have sent a GR4 for a look around or better still, sent Vladimir Putin a photo of the radar plot of the Astute-class submarine ,which was undoubtedly tracking the Russians anyway. I know what the Russians would be more frightened of.

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    I think the weather had a lot to do with where the Russian ship ended up, but stories like:-

    " Russian Naval vessel seeks shelter from storm" dont sell papers :-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    Surley it would have been better to ignore the Russians and leave them guessing as to what the RN response time might have been . As it was the RN tipped their hand so to speak .
    the SigInt alone from getting upclose and personal with the Russian vessel would be worthwhile - yes standard traffic would be encrypted but you can still gain a lot from such a close encounter.
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    In 1982 the lack of a RN presense/response led to conflict ,lessons have been learned,but the manner in which the media packaged the matter is pure drivel,all that was missing was that the Russians fled when the T45 hoisted "england expects ...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    I think the weather had a lot to do with where the Russian ship ended up, but stories like:-

    " Russian Naval vessel seeks shelter from storm" dont sell papers :-p
    You are indeed correct. The below from the MoD :

    The Portsmouth-based destroyer sailed through high sea states and storm force winds to welcome the group of 6 vessels, including a 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier. Due to bad weather, the Russian fleet anchored in the Moray Firth before heading down the east coast of the UK. As a sign of the friendship between the 2 navies, goodwill messages were exchanged between the ships on New Year’s Eve.

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    Maybe the RN framed the slow response to protest against the cuts .

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    Last edited by danno; 17th April 2017 at 09:44.

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    Non story. The RN monitors the movement of all naval vessels in the channel. It's to be expected when these ships pass their largest base.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Does it actually send out an escort for all passing naval traffic.

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    At that scale, yes.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Another non story. The Volume of traffic in the channel they are lucky to have a frigate available for one D/E sub.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Its Russian Aircraft on this occasion;

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...tland-40070746

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    If anyone is interested there is an article in this months Warships international fleet review (whew) on Russian subs operating in the Irish sea.

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