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Which is all fine and grand had the Glengarry's come with the red patch!
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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PA peakers don't come with a red band on them either.Our SD uniforms don't come with our flashes and rank markings pre sewn on.Whats your point?
If the admin instruction suggests that red patches are to be worn, they should be fitted.
As with the private purchase items for the SD No 1s... why should you buy Lanyads , patches etc... if they are expected to be worn, should be supplied.
The concept of items such as lanyards not being standardized has lead to some horrible interpretations of the actual item being worn, ironically the newer cavalry lanyard being a good example with the colours and brading being incorrect and look totally out of place against the actual colours.
Now if every one decides on their own shade of red for patches.......what fun
Many moons ago when wearing of rank sliders as opposed to brassards came to being it was suggested that the unit be featured on the slider.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by The real Jack View PostSpecial hats/badges don't create Unit pride/"esprit de corps", being a Good unit well led does that. A turd corps with a fancy hat is still a turd.
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Originally posted by The real Jack View PostSpecial hats/badges don't create Unit pride/"esprit de corps", being a Good unit well led does that. A turd corps with a fancy hat is still a turd.
Personally, I think the DF is souless without it.
To quote Napoleon Bonaparte, "A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon."Last edited by SwiftandSure; 21 January 2014, 18:00.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View Postberets do! Even RDF berets come with the patches fitted...the Glengarry doesn't so why should one be fitted?
If the admin instruction suggests that red patches are to be worn, they should be fitted.
As with the private purchase items for the SD No 1s... why should you buy Lanyads , patches etc... if they are expected to be worn, should be supplied.
The concept of items such as lanyards not being standardized has lead to some horrible interpretations of the actual item being worn, ironically the newer cavalry lanyard being a good example with the colours and brading being incorrect and look totally out of place against the actual colours.
Now if every one decides on their own shade of red for patches.......what fun
Many moons ago when wearing of rank sliders as opposed to brassards came to being it was suggested that the unit be featured on the slider.
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Originally posted by SwiftandSure View PostI don't think that different coloured berets are necessary, but I do think that we should wear TRFs on our DPM uniforms to indicate corps / units. It would develop a bit of patch pride if nothing else.
berets do! Even RDF berets come with the patches fitted...the Glengarry doesn't so why should one be fitted?
If the admin instruction suggests that red patches are to be worn, they should be fitted.
As with the private purchase items for the SD No 1s... why should you buy Lanyards , patches etc... if they are expected to be worn, should be supplied.
The concept of items such as lanyards not being standardized has lead to some horrible interpretations of the actual item being worn, ironically the newer cavalry lanyard being a good example with the colours and brading being incorrect and look totally out of place against the actual colours.
Now if every one decides on their own shade of red for patches.......what fun
TRFs generate pride, banter, esprit de corps and promotes competition between units which only acts as force betterment.
If you don't think it does, it's because you probably haven't served within such an aforesaid military culture.
Personally, I think the DF is souless without it.
To quote Napoleon Bonaparte, "A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.""Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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They are.All flashes have been on issue for the last few years.Lanyards for the last year or so. Standardised size too.No more titanic bow lines or pullthroug
Excuses excuses.See my last point about the flashes.Lame excuse.
They just use the army issue red feltCovid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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The brits tradition dat eback centuries and are eschewed by the distinct class sytem that they have had being someone or others subject.
When the aristocracy could invent a regiment and become a colonel in chief it was a right to pick the colours etc - always a prince or duke with a penchant for colour coordination.
In a republic i think this is not need - the BLue Hussars were our version and you could argue that they should have been kept and on horse back too - give the equitation school a real purpose
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If everything has been standardized and on issue why not red patches on Glengarrys?
Please show me on the scale of issue, red felt for the making of patches for Glengarrys"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View Post"Patch pride"? gimme a break More shite to put on the uniform more like.I said it before.We have a TRF.Its called the tricolour!!
TRF's promote one upmanship,bickering,punch ups down the town when other units meet each other.If that's "force betterment" you can keep it.
Bollox.The USMC don't have the "Regimental system" and the nearly coined the phrase Esprit de corps.One Badge.one allegiance.One force.
Again.Bollox.The DF has it's own traditions and bells and whistles.We don't need to import another armies traditions to make us feel like soldiers.
We have those too.They are called medals.And Bonaparte was wrong.Soldiers fight for the guy beside them.Not a country/flag/piece of ribbon or even medals.
The USMC does have a proud history of battles to its name which lends itself to the aggressive culture of that corps, simply being a marine carries a degree of prestige. With the greatest of respect, the DF doesn't have such a (dare I say) glorious heritage of warfare and battles won. It's not what it's about, so I wouldn't necessarily make direct comparison between the two.
Also, my interpretation of Napoleon's quote was that the "piece of ribbon" meant the national flag. I'm probably wrong on that.
I'm not saying you have to agree with me. I'm not looking to make a conversion here.
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