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  • #46
    I believe the US are using a lightweight MAG , the M240L as their section level support weapon in certain units.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #47
      There is also a 7.62mm Minimi

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      • #48
        How long before someone puts a tangential optical sight on a lightweight Bren design with 50 round 7.62 plastic magazines (perhaps even disposable) and espouses it as the future of section level support weapons?
        Last edited by Archimedes; 28 March 2018, 01:38.
        Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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        • #49
          "My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention."

          The big dis-advantage of the Bren style weapon is the inherent 30/40/50 round stoppage (depending on magazine size).
          When whoever is out there listening redesigns my beloved Bren, could they please add a 10 round cache built into the weapon immediately above the bolt .
          A set of one-way free-wheeling cogs would allow the cache to be charged with 10 rounds by the force of the magazine spring when a magazine is inserted into a port at the top of the cache. As rounds are fired, the cache would be replenished from the magazine until the magazine is empty and only 10 rounds remain in the in-built cache.
          The magazine wound then be removed by the No 2 but the 10 rounds in the cache would continue to be fed to the bolt (as the firer continues firing) by a pawl mechanism turning the one-way cogs. When the No 2 inserts a fresh magazine into the port at the top of the cache, the cogs not engaged in rounds would freewheel until the rounds from the new magazine have caught up with the last round of the first magazine.
          In this way, there would be no loss of fire support while the magazine of the LMG is changed.
          Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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          • #50
            Redesign the Bren for modern conditions with a modern copy of the 100-round Motley Drum and fit sights for left-handed firers, too, while you are at it. Existing L4s can take the 30 round FAL magazine, as standard.

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            • #51
              Were the Irish Bren's able to fire 7.62 or just the original .303?
              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                Were the Irish Bren's able to fire 7.62 or just the original .303?
                We never had the 7.62 converted Bren in service here(L4A2). Just 2 versions of the .303, the MkI with tangental drum sites, and the MkIII with tangental leaf sights.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #53
                  Can't find the "Armaments" thread, gonna stick this into this zombie thread instead.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • #54
                    Later edition of Soldier has a (little) detail on revised Inf orbat

                    Section of 10 - 2 x 4 man fireteams plus Section IC & Systems Opr (with access to drone data, comms & Atak tool (open to correction by a mobile phone/tablet that fuses situational awareness data))

                    Pln - 3 x 10 man sections plus Pln Comdr, System Opr, Comms Sgt, Pln Sgt, 84mm Carl G (2 man crew)

                    Coy - 2 x 36 man Pln, Manoeuvre Support Gp (3 x Javelin, 2 x 81mm mortar and 2 x drone/loitering teams (each with IC, driver & systems opr)), CSS Team - total around 130



                    Page 26
                    https://edition.pagesuite-profession...8-6aeef483c009
                    Last edited by DeV; 1 June 2023, 23:00.

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                    • #55
                      Associated press release

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                      • #56
                        As part of the Royal Marines Future Commando Force (really focused solely on raiding as opposed to taking and holding ground), they are getting the Persistent Systems MPU5 radio



                        which is an Android based mobile ad hoc networking (MANET) radio which can be linked to the ATAK situational awareness app

                        Founded by Herbert B. Rubens and David Holmer, Persistent Systems offers a secure and 'true'' mobile ad-hoc networking system with its Wave Relay product line. Since inception, the company's core products have been most utilized by the government sector as well as some by some industrial clients. Today, Persistent Systems has the opportunity to grow its customer base to both industrial and commercial applications.

                        it is described as a “smart radio”, not sure if qualities as a SDR ?

                        I could be completely wrong (please correct me, in for real dummies manner) but MANET appears to be a bit like (in Dev’s non-IT background) a WiFi network with all radios constantly attempting to establish a link with all others on the network while acting like rebro stations so you can communicate with who you need to.

                        But question, that would be fine in a permissive EW environment but would it not leave you open to detection?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          As part of the Royal Marines Future Commando Force (really focused solely on raiding as opposed to taking and holding ground), they are getting the Persistent Systems MPU5 radio

                          https://soldiersystems.net/2023/06/0...commando-force

                          which is an Android based mobile ad hoc networking (MANET) radio which can be linked to the ATAK situational awareness app

                          Founded by Herbert B. Rubens and David Holmer, Persistent Systems offers a secure and 'true'' mobile ad-hoc networking system with its Wave Relay product line. Since inception, the company's core products have been most utilized by the government sector as well as some by some industrial clients. Today, Persistent Systems has the opportunity to grow its customer base to both industrial and commercial applications.

                          it is described as a “smart radio”, not sure if qualities as a SDR ?

                          I could be completely wrong (please correct me, in for real dummies manner) but MANET appears to be a bit like (in Dev’s non-IT background) a WiFi network with all radios constantly attempting to establish a link with all others on the network while acting like rebro stations so you can communicate with who you need to.

                          But question, that would be fine in a permissive EW environment but would it not leave you open to detection?
                          Very very vulnerable. Quite a few endpoints there. There's a few papers online about this

                          Edit: See here for an example: https://ijcem.org/papers12011/12011_17.pdf
                          Last edited by Jaque'ammer; 8 June 2023, 16:29.

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                          • #58
                            Really good detailed insight into the proposed British Army Urban orbat

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