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    Pajero Replacement?

    Runour going around is they are replacing the pajeros. Haven't heard anything official but could be some truth since nissans are being taken away and pajeros are restricted to roads/tracks and not allowed off road
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    Most Nissan,s are been taking away due to their age. Cars over 10 years that are not specialist vehicles will be wadied

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    Most Nissan,s are been taking away due to their age. Cars over 10 years that are not specialist vehicles will be wadied
    Must have changed the policy again then
    At one point nothing was being wadied on the 10 year rule unless anything major had to be done, cost wise, to them
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    pajeros are restricted to roads/tracks and not allowed off road
    why would these 4x4's not be allowed off-road?
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    Because they are shit! Just because something is 4x4 doesn't mean that it's capable of going off-road. All they are is fancy officer transportation devices.

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    Exactly as FM said. Ground clearance is crap and the tow hitch is low and a protrudes a decent bit from the car which means it can go up sudden and sharp inclines.... Also I think there something to do with the radio in the rear under the floor and Iv heard of water getting into it and causing sparks and potential fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    Exactly as FM said. Ground clearance is crap and the tow hitch is low and a protrudes a decent bit from the car which means it can go up sudden and sharp inclines.... Also I think there something to do with the radio in the rear under the floor and Iv heard of water getting into it and causing sparks and potential fire
    How did they not notice this when they were trialling it? Or for the trials did it not have a tow hitch fitted?
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    First time I saw a Pajero in a Bks, the poor ground clearance was the first thing that struck me about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    How did they not notice this when they were trialling it? Or for the trials did it not have a tow hitch fitted?
    I have no idea... Another poor decision among many
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    Ground clearance is no different than any other civilian 4x4 type painted green. I think the problem may be the horrific wheels they decided to fit.

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    Back axles keep breaking.Engine maintenance is a pain.Too small for fully equipped troops on the likes of CIT.
    Ford Rangers being introduced to specialist units and as stores vehicles.
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    What's left to buy in terms of Civvy jeeps then? Would the Landcruiser V8s be way out of the DFs pricerange? New Patrols wouldn't meet the euro emission regs I think(they're still made for non european markets)
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    Back axles keep breaking
    Oops....

    Too small for fully equipped troops on the likes of CIT.
    Given the amount of kit that was issued in parallel with them i.e. vests etc nobody seems to have factored all that stuff in.

    So whats the standard overseas soft skin 4x4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    What's left to buy in terms of Civvy jeeps then? Would the Landcruiser V8s be way out of the DFs pricerange? New Patrols wouldn't meet the euro emission regs I think(they're still made for non european markets)
    Surely the days of using civilian vehicles in a military role is gone. There are numerous unarmoured soft skin military vehicles on the market. G Wagen for starters. But ideally, 7 seaters are old hat. Get a pickup with crew cab big enough for 4 adult european humans. Patrols, Land Cruisers , even Rangers are fine for bringing the pony to the gymkana with Lottie and her chums Tiffany and Quentin, but were never designed to allow 4 or more fully equipped soldiers travel and egress the vehicle in a tactical manner.

    Gwagen. Sell the Mitsu "wankers" as a job lot before it's too late.

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    What about that "Spanish Humvee" that the DF had a few years ago, would that be fit for purpose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    How did they not notice this when they were trialling it?
    You would certainly expect this to be the case, but having been on more than one board for trialling new equipment in my time I think I have figured out how the process works.

    1. A need for new equipment/kit/vehicles/other is identified by the army after a soldier has been injured by existing equipment or existing equipment becomes too expensive to maintain or the manufacturer is no longer making parts for it.

    2. The army select a senior officer, no more than 3 years from retirement to find the 3 cheapest and poorly made variants of the required piece of kit.

    3. A board of experts is convened to trial all three. In the case of the pajero's this board most likely consisted of the most experienced and capable officer and NCO instructors from the Transport and Vehicle Maintenance School as well as selected suitably trained personnel from other service corps.

    4. The board will test and trial each of the three options under various criteria such as safety, performance, interoperability with current kit, maintenance costs etc.

    5. The board will then submit a full and detailed report outline the pro's and con's of each option and they will also submit a recommendation based on their years of experience.

    6. The army will buy the cheapest one.

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    The amazing thing about G wagons is they could standardise the whole 4x4 fleet on them, but the Army only buys piecemeal not multiyear contracts. There's petrol automatic nissans, manual diesel nissans, RHD nissans, Armoured nissans, Pajeros and a hodgepodge mix of crew cabs at the mo + others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango_Charlie View Post
    You would certainly expect this to be the case, but having been on more than one board for trialling new equipment in my time I think I have figured out how the process works.

    1. A need for new equipment/kit/vehicles/other is identified by the army after a soldier has been injured by existing equipment or existing equipment becomes too expensive to maintain or the manufacturer is no longer making parts for it.

    2. The army select a senior officer, no more than 3 years from retirement to find the 3 cheapest and poorly made variants of the required piece of kit.

    3. A board of experts is convened to trial all three. In the case of the pajero's this board most likely consisted of the most experienced and capable officer and NCO instructors from the Transport and Vehicle Maintenance School as well as selected suitably trained personnel from other service corps.

    4. The board will test and trial each of the three options under various criteria such as safety, performance, interoperability with current kit, maintenance costs etc.

    5. The board will then submit a full and detailed report outline the pro's and con's of each option and they will also submit a recommendation based on their years of experience.

    6. The army will buy the cheapest one.

    More likely, the civil serpents on the board will stick in there two pence worth to act the boll%x and you end up with a bit of kit that is less then what the Army is looking for.
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    The trick is to word the tender in such way that only the item you are looking for, and know is best for the job, can be selected.

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    Crew cabs?????????

    No way!!!!!!!1

    I've been in many a crew cab. The front is grand but you need to be a midget with skinny legs to sit in the back.

    They make the Pajero seem spacious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab View Post
    Crew cabs?????????

    No way!!!!!!!1

    I've been in many a crew cab. The front is grand but you need to be a midget with skinny legs to sit in the back.

    They make the Pajero seem spacious.
    As I said
    Get a pickup with crew cab big enough for 4 adult european humans
    They are out there. Not all are designed for lower limb amputees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
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    Think it is the Eagle

    Details from this old thread.

    http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...umvee-on-Trial
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    Did they not trial this baby ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URO_VAMTAC

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    The URO would have been the right job for overseas as they could have used an add-on armor kit.
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